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Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Andreas » 16 Jan 2014, 18:07

This is not a joke. Some staff members at a major university in California are making this suggestion to the administration:

I would like to strongly suggest implementing gender-neutral restrooms on all floors of .... It's time for us to join in with other universities who are becoming more sensitive and welcoming to transgender people. A gender-neutral space would relieve a transgendered person of the burden of having to choose a gender that doesn't reflect who they really are. These are the types of decisions that transgendered folks are faced with every single day. A gender-neutral restroom would also provide more flexibility to some folks who are disabled and need to have access to a restroom, but find there is not one of their similar gender close to their work area.


We are entering deepest Absurdistan.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Nathan » 16 Jan 2014, 18:42

I would love to know how many transgender people there actually are at whichever university that is (and even then, m -> f transgenders aren't the same as f -> m, are they? Shouldn't there be at least two different new toilets built if the powers that be are going to such ridiculous lengths anyway just for the sake of exercising their power?).

I wouldn't even be surprised if the answer to that question is "none" - I've only met one transgender person in my whole life.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Jonathan » 16 Jan 2014, 22:12

A gender-neutral space would relieve a transgendered person of the burden of having to choose a gender that doesn't reflect who they really are.


Thank goodness we're under no obligation to relieve any female persons of the burden of touching-up their makeup under the idle gaze of bored males.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Elliott » 17 Jan 2014, 06:22

Nathan wrote:I wouldn't even be surprised if the answer to that question is "none" - I've only met one transgender person in my whole life.

Careful there, Nathan. You're in danger of being inadvertently transphobic. For we cisgendered simpletons, it is all too easy to dismiss the claims of trans people but the truth is that we cannot possibly know the depths, breadths and heights of their victimhood.

Apparently.

(Seriously, though, I agree with you. I've only ever met two transgendered people and they were both absurd attention seekers.)
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Thomas M. » 20 Jan 2014, 20:02

A gender-neutral restroom would also provide more flexibility to some folks who are disabled and need to have access to a restroom, but find there is not one of their similar gender close to their work area.
Aren't male and female restrooms next to each other? What does "similar gender" mean in this context? Does being disabled suddenly blur one's gender lines? Are various Iraq War veterans on the road to being transgendered?
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Elliott » 21 Jan 2014, 09:08

I think what it means is that your gender is the one which is "closest" to you, but will never be exact. So for example you would use a male toilet because "male" fits your identity better than "female" does - but you shouldn't be tricked into believing that this means you are actually 100% male.

I think that's what they're saying.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Thomas M. » 21 Jan 2014, 10:47

One consequence of the "your gender is a fictitious social construct" way of thinking are the problems it poses for (real) feminism. After all, if a man who treats his female coworkers terribly suddenly decides to "transition" to a woman and act as an authority on women's issues, and conveniently happens to self-identify as a lesbian as well, the coworkers suddenly turn into hateful bigots if they take issue.

There is actually some controversy in self-described feminist circles due to this fact, although the majority uphold transgenderism, just like the majority uphold pornography as liberating for women.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Damo » 21 Jan 2014, 11:05

Whatever happened to the words sex and sexual?

We used to say homosexual, now it's gay. The same with transexual, now it's transgender. It's like as if those words are dirty and not allowed.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Nathan » 21 Jan 2014, 18:45

Damo: At least the word "sexist" is still going strong;)
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Gavin » 21 Jan 2014, 20:35

Damo wrote:Whatever happened to the words sex and sexual?

We used to say homosexual, now it's gay. The same with transexual, now it's transgender. It's like as if those words are dirty and not allowed.


And yet there is so much open depravity in popular culture. In this kind of thing we see the weirdness of modern Leftist PC.

You know, I witnessed a similar thing on the train the other day. Two young women, a black one and an Indian one, were sitting together, and engaging in vulgar and narcissistic conversation. The black girl was advising the Indian to play games with a male admirer. Both dropped the odd F word and generally seemed superficial. Then, amongst the horrible narcissism, the Indian said "I just want to do some good in the world, you know...". She had a kind of crude PC idea of "doing good" but had no idea how to be decent in the most fundamental ways to those strangers around her, or to her poor admirer. We see a kind of strange perversion in PC - these people seem to be obsessed with themselves but do not know themselves. Full of self esteem but without self respect, as I think TD would put it.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Elliott » 21 Jan 2014, 20:50

That's a very interesting story, Gavin. I don't see or hear things like this, not having been in the Big Smoke for seven years!
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Jonathan » 22 Jan 2014, 22:56

Gavin wrote:
Damo wrote:Then, amongst the horrible narcissism, the Indian said "I just want to do some good in the world, you know...". She had a kind of crude PC idea of "doing good" but had no idea how to be decent in the most fundamental ways to those strangers around her, or to her poor admirer.


That reminds me of Dalrymple's characterization of the architect Oscar Niemeyer in one of his City Journal articles: "he built for humanity; as for men, he knew them not."

Similarly, this girl wants to do good for the world; as for the inhabitants of the world, she couldn't care less.

Dalrymple has also commented on the environmentalist manifestation of this attitude - working to fight Global Warming, while at the same time tossing rubbish into the street.

I suppose it can be traced to a Marxist origin - want to make an omlette, gotta break some eggs.
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Gavin » 22 Jan 2014, 23:09

I suppose what it boils down to is that the idea of "helping the world" is actually just another ego feed for themselves. If they think they have done this they will be able to admire themselves even more than they do already, never mind (un)common decency.

I have so many anecdotes at the moment! I am in a hub of multiculturalism and often on public transport, witnessing everything up close both professionally and generally. But these are going to have to wait until I have time, and then I'll have to be tactful too!
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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Damo » 22 Jan 2014, 23:36

Yes, it is all about their egos. Take Russel Brand for instance. A man who drives around in very expensive cars and makes $10 million per movie. Yet he's all for social egalitarianism.

Or Harrison ford who owns several private jets. He apparently used one of them to collect a cheese burger.

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Re: Demands for gender-neutral bathrooms

Postby Yessica » 23 Jan 2014, 21:31

Jonathan wrote:Similarly, this girl wants to do good for the world; as for the inhabitants of the world, she couldn't care less.


I always wondered how it could be that some people claim to love mankind but seemed to hate man.
Was is Jean-Jaque Rosseau who wrote about the education of children while his own where in an orphanage?

Jonathan wrote:Dalrymple has also commented on the environmentalist manifestation of this attitude - working to fight Global Warming, while at the same time tossing rubbish into the street.


Yet it would be wrong to coclude that global warming is not a real danger just because some idiotic people act like this... the "truth" of an opinion cannot be evaluated by how the followers of the opinion act. Not saying you said that.
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