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Posh people

Postby Yessica » 04 Jan 2015, 22:18

In his thread about the leftist mentality Elliott wrote
When I was 20, I thought being idealistic was stupid. I had an idea for what to do after art college and explained it to my (rather posh) tutor, saying "I know it's idealistic". He said "well yes it is but why shouldn't it be?" That statement completely transformed my view of posh people. I realised they had something I didn't: an optimism that things could get done. Furthermore they were not embarrassed, not ashamed, about having hopes for their own personal future. From then on I was much less disparaging of the upper classes


I don't want to write this in this thread as it is not about leftist but if you think there should not be an extra thread please feel free to move it there again...

The word "posh" has been used several times on this boards and I have got a few questions. Who exactly are posh people - when would you see a person as posh? How would you define "upper class"? Why did you disparage the upper class?
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Re: Posh people

Postby Paul » 05 Jan 2015, 01:51

Here's my view of who posh people are and what they are like, in a typical British sense.

Posh people will be initially identified (probably) by their accent. They will speak 'properly' or even ultra-properly (an extra intensity to their accent). This will mean RP and BBC English (at least of yesteryear). There will be no regional accent or common dialect in their speech. Extremely posh people will probably have had elocution lessons at very good schools, to refine their speech even more.

Posh people will have good and old-fashioned manners and follow old-fashioned protocols.

Posh people will dress well and usually formally. In informal settings, even their casual clothes will have quality and thus some style about them.

Posh people will engage in higher cultural pursuits than the masses.

Posh people have better quality homes and better furnishings. They will eat multi-course meals and have an array of cutlery at the table - and know which piece to use for specific dishes, as an example.

Posh people will be Royalty (who are sort of beyond posh, in a sphere of their own), the landed aristocracy, the other aristocracy, the upper and (maybe?) general middle class and a certain proportion of professionals. There will be a few genuine cases of lower classed people (initially) who have risen (in mind and in wealth) and are now posh themselves.

Poshness is easily identified (broadly) with greater wealth, though not exclusively so. There can be boorish millionaires, who are not posh at all. There can be paupers who are posh. These will either be eccentrics or previously more wealthy people who have fallen on hard times.

Some people may affect poshness but can usually be identified as fakers, especially by the genuinely posh.

Poshness is about attitude mainly, I would say. It's about manners and style and a certain way of going about things. A good word might be refinement.

Poshness is not essential, but is broadly harmless. It could easily be enabling for the people involved , in some circumstances. It can be over-done (it will be felt by those less posh) and is then a social marker, and in some cases a cause for social division (which may sometimes be desirable).

It may also depend on one's position. To the aristocracy or upper middle-class, it may be that they view the general middle-class as nowhere near as posh (refined) enough. Social class was (still is?) a large factor in British society.

Upper class will be the aristocracy, almost exclusively. These will be the remaining Dukes, Earls, Viscounts, etc. They will also be the large hereditary landowners. They will be the members of the House of Lords, although less so in the case of political appointees. They might well be very senior military figures.

They will not generally be politicians, although there may be exceptions still. Historically speaking, politicians were once virtually exclusively from the upper and aristocratic class. They have however, for centuries, been referred to as 'Commoners', as opposed to Lords, in a government sense.

Why do people disparage the upper class, especially the young? Short answer- Socialism.
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Re: Posh people

Postby Kevin R » 09 Jan 2015, 16:40

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