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Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014, 12:14
by Nathan
Not the army as such, but close enough: two "petite" women join the armed reponse unit of the police then sue for sexual discrimination when their hands prove too small to operate a gun designed for a man, and win £35,000 in compensation.

There used to be a minimum height requirement for joining the police in certain parts of Britain (at least for men, don't know about for women), but that got abolished when it was considered to racially discriminate against ethnic groups considered less likely on average to meet the standard.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 19 Feb 2014, 18:15
by Charlie
What can you say, Nathan? That's unbelievable.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 11 Apr 2014, 09:02
by Yessica
Found an interesting article: an interesting article

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 26 Jul 2014, 17:43
by Nathan
Well isn't this just exactly what they said would happen?

First female warship commander sent home after claims of affair with crewmate

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 26 Jul 2014, 20:49
by Gavin
Yes - the woman looks quite masculine (to me, anyway), which is also no surprise.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 20 Nov 2014, 20:51
by Gavin
I see quite a lot of tweets like this from the IDF. These seem very PC and this kind of attitude might weaken Israel. I wonder what Jewish members of the forum make of all this.

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Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 20 Nov 2014, 21:41
by Jonathan
The key question is, are standards being dropped to accommodate the women? Generally speaking, the answer is no.

There are a few mixed infantry battalions which are generally considered second-rate. They're used for patrolling the long southern borders.

There are also observer corps, and other units which don't involve physical exertion (e.g. flying a drone remotely, observing the border with cameras, intelligence corps). There women are on equal footing with men.

There are only a few elite units in which standards are not dropped, yet in which women are accepted, such as the air force. Perhaps one-tenth to one-twentieth of graduates are female, and they're just as good as the men. A couple of months ago a few Israeli tourists were killed in a surprise snowstorm in Nepal; one of these was a female navigator. She was taking a vacation to unwind a bit after the hard fighting last summer.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.621202

The tweets themselves, of course, are shamelessly PC.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 20 Nov 2014, 21:59
by Gavin
Right, thanks for your reply on that, Jonathan.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 17 Feb 2015, 21:08
by Nathan
Here we go again...

The Army needs to be restructured to allow more female soldiers to rise to senior posts, its top officer has said.

Gen Sir Nicholas Carter, the chief of the general staff, said the Army would need to recruit more women to bring in the numbers it needs in the future.


No mention of why the Army actually needs more female soldiers in senior posts in the first place or what is so wrong with the demographic makeup of the Army as it already is.

The plain fact is to replace that we will have a challenge in about five years' time that probably 25% of our recruits will need to come from the black-Asian minority ethnic community.


No mention of why the Army actually needs more ethnic minority soldiers in the first place or what is so wrong with the demographic makeup of the Army as it already is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31506267

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2015, 11:24
by Elliott
Do ethnic minorities now make up 25% of the British population?

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2015, 14:31
by Gavin
Seems a lot higher than that in the Slough area - almost every car that passes has a non-English driver.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 18 Feb 2015, 19:45
by Jonathan
This is on-topic, and is too funny not to share. Fortunately, I found an English version on liveleak, whose translation seems sound:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af4_1421903528

IDF presented today medals, decorations and citations for the part of male and female soldier infighting in Operation Protective Edge. But the praise written about them, caused discomfort, due the difference in the commendations written for male and female soldiers...


For example the observations written for NCO, Sergeant Roni Jackson... states: "Sergeant Roni didn't lose her head".

Corporal Noah Teital, also received a letter of commendation ... "Despite the difficulty inherent in identifying the enemy in a complex area, Corporal Noah Teital didn't lose herself to panic and called in the commanders".

The descriptions which talk about female soldiers not losing their senses, are very different from those of the male officers and fighters - which especially mentioned courage on the battlefield.


Of course, the story doesn't explicitly state an important difference. The female soldiers were sitting in an (probably) air-conditioned office, remotely viewing the battlefield on a computer monitor. The men were charging forward under fire.

Re: Women in the army

PostPosted: 02 Oct 2015, 09:44
by Gavin
What's all the fuss about re. women in the army?

Here's a woman boxer, you see. When you see her alongside the guy on the left, for example, you can appreciate it's just blatant sexism to claim that men and women are in some way different! What harm could there be if more of our army was populated by such women up against those Russian troops and crazed Muslims?

I say increase the army to an exact 50/50 men and women and maintain it at that. Drop those silly limits on strength and carrying stuff, too. That's just sexist. What we need most is equality (never mind survival).

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