Leftist hypocrisy

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Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Gavin » 15 Jul 2012, 19:00

I was thinking earlier how the Left are often not only clearly wrong, arguing as they do from emotion rather than fact, but they are transparently hypocritical.

The film Avatar was a massive commercial project, netting millions of capitalist dollars. It was pure leftist propaganda. The film celebrates virtually every cliche of leftism:

  • Tattoos
  • Hatred of one's own race
  • Ludditism - hatred of mechanisation
  • Piercings
  • Love of primitive tribes
  • Anti-Americanism
  • Eco-facism

I suppose the list goes on. It seems to have escaped the lefties' attention what a commericial project the film was - not much "redistribution of wealth" going on there.

The second glaring example of leftist hypocrisy is, of course, their love of Apple. I use Apple's computers. I like them, but I do not think the company walks on water. They are a capitalist corporation out to make profit, like any other, and they're making a lot of it.

It doesn't matter how many nose piercings and tattoos their young "genius" staff in their shops have, Apple's technology is largely outsourced and is built by highly skilled engineers, not the lefty eco rebel (we can say conformist) kids who like to advertise that they buy these things. They are nothing but suckers for the marketing. Apple are not always best at everything, though they say they are. They have simply pulled off the coup of being perhaps more aggressively capitalist than any other tech company, yet managing to convince the easily led that they are some kind of benevolent leftist charity. Nice move.

Hypocrisy among leftists. These are just examples of where they have been blatantly duped by corporations, but they do it all the time.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 15 Jul 2012, 20:13

I think the trouble for leftists is that capitalism simply works. It's flawed and results in injustice and waste, sure, but it works so well and produces such things that Socialists, even Socialists, can never do without it. Anything they say about wanting to overthrow it is always a lie, or a self-delusion.

It's irritatingly simple, but I think that's it.

As soon as capitalism looked to be in any real danger of collapsing, 99% of leftists would immediately run to the other side of the boat. But of course, they'd keep a soulful eye on where they'd originally been, and would return there as soon as capitalism was secure again.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 24 Jul 2012, 23:42

Is this the kind of hypocrisy you had in mind, Gavin?
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Gavin » 25 Jul 2012, 08:16

That's a good example Elliott. Let's make sure we get a direct link in there to racist Diane Abbott's case too. Breathtaking socialist hypocrisy!

But perhaps the best case of all is their former elected leader, surely one of the most self-seeking socialists in political history. Not forgetting that like attracts like!
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Heather » 27 Jul 2012, 19:15

Something I wanted to get off my chest, and figured this thread was a good place for it:

A couple of months ago my state had a vote regarding gay marriage. Gay marriage is already illegal in this state - the vote was to amend the constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman, presumably because it's much harder to undo a constitutional amendment than a mere law. The amendment passed by a very wide margin, and suddenly my facebook news feed exploded with people making fun of us, calling us backwards inbred hicks (never mind that it didn't actually change the state of gay marriage here, and gay marriage is illegal in 30-40 other states besides this one).

I made a general statement, not directed at anyone, that calling all 9.6 million residents of this state backwards inbred hicks doesn't exactly make you look non-judgemental, open-minded, or tolerant (as was their aim). It's actually pretty hypocritical.

Last night I thought I'd look up a good friend from high school. A couple of years ago he moved to the west coast and became gay (the worst Prancing Bitch type, unfortunately). Turns out he'd defriended me over this. I know you shouldn't get upset over anything that happens on facebook, but I was. I didn't defriend him, for example, last year when he made a post about how disgusted he is by public breastfeeding, which is something that I feel very strongly about. My post didn't say anything about gays, and I actually call myself libertarian on facebook, because conservative is a very, very loaded term in America. But I pointed out the hypocrisy that nearly all my old college friends were participating in, and lost at least one friend over it.

Now, a question for another thread is, why is it okay for him to ape femininity by acting like a Prancing Bitch, but breastfeeding, an expression of the most giving and nurturing type of femininity, is disgusting?
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 29 Aug 2012, 22:41

I've just read this rather astonishing article about Karl Marx. I already knew he was a control freak who had almost no friends, but this information, if true, makes him the archetypal leftist hypocrite as well.

She was Helen Demuth. She was from a poor peasant family, and from a young age was a servant at Marx’s father-in-law’s home. When Johanna and Karl Marx were married she was given to him as part of a dowry. Marx did not decline this live gift, and he actually accepted it without question. Historically he thought that to employ physical labor was evil, but it seems he thought he deserved the devotion at no charge.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 05 Oct 2012, 03:46

Here is perhaps the worst example of leftist hypocrisy I have encountered.

In 2002, Steve Coogan wrote and acted in a sitcom called I'm Alan Partridge, in which the title character visited a state school and said that he'd sent his own son to private school (because "you can't muck about with your own kids"). This was meant to be a joke; Coogan was satirising rich people who send their kids to private school while droning on about how great state education is.

10 years later, Coogan appears on Question Time and comes out with the most ridiculous drivel about elitism, Tories and private education, saying that "because some people feel that they do have to privately educate their children, they're raised in such a way that they end up becoming Tories who then regard people as plebs".

Coogan's children are at private school. And not just any private school, either: Brighton College, charging £20,000 per year and named UK Independent School of the Year 2011 by the Sunday Times.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Podori » 05 Oct 2012, 05:34

Heather wrote:Something I wanted to get off my chest, and figured this thread was a good place for it:

A couple of months ago my state had a vote regarding gay marriage. Gay marriage is already illegal in this state - the vote was to amend the constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman, presumably because it's much harder to undo a constitutional amendment than a mere law. The amendment passed by a very wide margin, and suddenly my facebook news feed exploded with people making fun of us, calling us backwards inbred hicks (never mind that it didn't actually change the state of gay marriage here, and gay marriage is illegal in 30-40 other states besides this one).

I made a general statement, not directed at anyone, that calling all 9.6 million residents of this state backwards inbred hicks doesn't exactly make you look non-judgemental, open-minded, or tolerant (as was their aim). It's actually pretty hypocritical.

Last night I thought I'd look up a good friend from high school. A couple of years ago he moved to the west coast and became gay (the worst Prancing Bitch type, unfortunately). Turns out he'd defriended me over this. I know you shouldn't get upset over anything that happens on facebook, but I was. I didn't defriend him, for example, last year when he made a post about how disgusted he is by public breastfeeding, which is something that I feel very strongly about. My post didn't say anything about gays, and I actually call myself libertarian on facebook, because conservative is a very, very loaded term in America. But I pointed out the hypocrisy that nearly all my old college friends were participating in, and lost at least one friend over it.

Now, a question for another thread is, why is it okay for him to ape femininity by acting like a Prancing Bitch, but breastfeeding, an expression of the most giving and nurturing type of femininity, is disgusting?


Welcome to the mindset of the prancing homosexual man. These are not men like Alan Turing -- a decent, cultivated human being who met a tragic end -- these are the homosexuals who feel that they are owed a measure of deference from heterosexuals. And if they do not receive it, well, they'll just go and find someone who will.

Perhaps that is why so many gay men are left-leaning. Not finding much respect for their sexual orientation from conservatives (who judge their fellows by their achievements, not their arbitrary personality traits), gay men seek the flattery of leftists, who are already falling over themselves to worship at the altar of the victim (blacks, women, Muslims, and so on).

This gay man is not among them
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Caleb » 14 Oct 2012, 02:57

So my sister, the very embodiment of leftist yuppydom, is on a trip to Latin America right now.

This from her latest group email:

Today we left Trinidad, land of no Internet (that is a story of an adventure in itself) and went to Santa Clara where Che's remains are kept. It was a highlight and apart from Havana, my raison d'être (at least in Cuba). Like Lenin, I wasn't allowed to take photos of the actual burial place, but it was nonetheless very special and worth the trip. Apart from his significance, Olga and I agreed by the photos in the museum (yes, they got me into a museum Liza), that he was totally hot. Crassness aside, today was a highlight. Two rebels killed in Bolivia were women and there are guns, his inhaler, and other items belonging to Che on exhibition. There is also an eternal flame.


My response:

Glad to hear you're enjoying your trip. I'm thinking about planning a pilgrimage to Uganda in search of Idi Amin. After that, Afghanistan for Osama Bin Laden. Forgot to look for Pol Pot's mausoleum in Cambodia. Will have to make a return trip.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Darian » 14 Oct 2012, 04:27

Ugh! Just awful! Good reply though. Thank god both of my brothers are fairly right-wing. I've socked them over lesser things, Lenin and Che worship would be grounds for an honour killing.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Caleb » 15 Oct 2012, 06:38

My sister has since replied that there were times when she disagreed with those around her (on the tour) and that there is a lot of brainwashing in Cuba. Interestingly, she wrote that Castro has screwed the country up, but made no mention of Che, which is telling. It's a bit like asking you which arm of mine I'd rather someone cut off, but in a pinch I'd have Castro over Che. Yet in a pinch, people will criticise Castro without criticising Che (and the radicalising effects he had on Castro).

Che is probably the single biggest figure of the 20th century who is above and beyond reproach in the collective imagination, yet he seems to embody precisely the worst excesses of the 20th century. At least (if I can grant them anything) some other evil figures of the 20th century sought to create some order (even if it was completely twisted). Che seemed way out on a limb and appeared to seek violence, chaos and revolution purely as ends in themselves. He was, despite what people might claim, purely nihilistic. Perhaps that is why he is so adored at such an emotional level by many on the left and such a, or even the, quintessential representative of the direction of Western culture in the 20th century.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Gavin » 15 Oct 2012, 07:52

Caleb, I think your sister's attitude is entirely typical of young people (perhaps especially women) and your reply was perfect.

Here's is my own article about "hero" Che Guevara on this forum.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Andreas » 15 Oct 2012, 18:36

The Che Guevara discussion mentions the intellectual laziness involved in wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt or Guy Fawkes mask without knowing the historical facts about either figure.

There seems to be another laziness operating here as well, a laziness that says, “I don’t want to make the difficult effort required or take the responsibility to form my own opinions and identity, so I’ll just take on this ready-made persona.” It almost amounts to relinquishing one’s identity.

The same behavior was in evidence in Oakland, California recently when demonstrators wore masks with the face of Oscar Grant, a young black man who had been shot and killed accidentally by a police officer. The police officer was white, so the incident was immediately politicized and racialized. There followed a series of riots with a great deal of vandalism and damage to the city of Oakland. The original incident was sad and regrettable but nevertheless, Grant was not a hero and should not have been idolized. He had had trouble with the police and received felony convictions in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Polic ... scar_Grant
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Caleb » 16 Oct 2012, 00:42

Gavin: I remember reading that one before. It's a good one. I suppose the one good thing about this hero worship of Che is that he must be rolling over in his grave now that he has become a kind of cultural icon created by, and used for, capitalism.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 29 Oct 2012, 17:10

From Facebook, another example of the intolerance of "the tolerant":

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