The Guardian's Greatest Hits

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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Gavin » 29 Dec 2013, 19:53

but, rightly, she's not happy about it.


I think I've missed your meaning. Why should she not be happy about making the tea? She certainly does look disgruntled - probably the patriarchy.. or something - anything.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Elliott » 29 Dec 2013, 20:39

I was joking, Gavin. :)
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 01 Jan 2014, 09:24

An Article of the Year candidate on Day 1:

Sunili Govinnage says she'll only read "authors of colour" in 2014, but this isn't racist, honest!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/31/books-2014-people-of-colour

"People of colour" is a new one this side of the Atlantic as far as I can tell. "Coloured people" (is white not a colour?!) extra extra bad, "People of colour" good?
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 03 Jan 2014, 11:51

Pollynomics: if employers paid higher wages, immigrants would stop coming.

If you want to curb immigration, pay workers a living wage
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 05 Jan 2014, 12:50

I missed this absolute classic from a few days ago, written by a recent Cambridge graduate complaining about Prince William doing a course in agriculture to help him when he takes over the Duchy of Cornwall, even though he didn't get the grades at school Cambridge would normally expect for undergraduate admission.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/20 ... NETTXT3487

The very first comment - with 1456 recommends and written only six minutes after the article was published - quotes some of the author's words:

"It doesn't matter that he's actually been admitted to a 10-week "professional" course whose admissions process doesn't directly compare to the mainstream Cambridge one."

Err yes it does. Rest of your article is irrelevant.


Whoops!
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Yessica » 05 Jan 2014, 18:13

Nathan wrote:An Article of the Year candidate on Day 1:

Sunili Govinnage says she'll only read "authors of colour" in 2014, but this isn't racist, honest!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/31/books-2014-people-of-colour

"People of colour" is a new one this side of the Atlantic as far as I can tell. "Coloured people" (is white not a colour?!) extra extra bad, "People of colour" good?


On the one hand I think that it could not hurt to read books written by people unlike those whose books you normally read. It could serve to broaden your horizon.

Govinnage wrote:It is vital for us to hear more stories about our world told from non-western perspectives


Vital may be to strong a word, but it might help us to learn more about the world which is always a good thing.

We still might disagree with the worldview of the author, even strongly so but at least we know something about he or she sees the world.
does one have to read something written by an author from a different culture in order to have that experience? I do not think so.
A woman could also read something from a male, a young person something from an older author. A leftist could read something written by a conservative and so on.

I am not sure if Govinnage had this in mind however. She seems to be annoyed that her experiences are not reflected in the books she reads:

Govinnage wrote:as an immigrant kid who grew up speaking English and reading English-language books, I always felt alone and very, very different.


To my mind "alone and very, very different" is the typical way teenagers feel.

Govinnage wrote:As many times as I might re-read Pride and Prejudice (as I did) I always wondered why some truths are more universally acknowledged than others


I read "Pride and prejudice" as a woman who is white and never-ever thought that this was a book written about my "realities". It was written in 1813. Things have changed since then.

I learned about that time from it.
What would be the purpose of me reading a book about my own life? That would be the most boring book for me to read.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Elliott » 09 Jan 2014, 16:58

Don't force children to kiss elderly relatives. It accustoms them to being coerced into sex. (It must be true. Some experts said it.)

This was a funny exchange in the comment thread:
"why o why do you have to turn everything that is normal into a possible abnormal thing."

Because the normal parts of society that we're realizing aren't so good - such as date rape - may be in part caused, or facilitated, by other normal parts of society that we've been conditioned to accept.

If boys grow up observing adults who can freely impose their wishes for physical contact on unwilling children, how do you think those boys are going to process the word "No" when they grow up enough to begin hearing it from young women they find attractive? They've never seen an adult who listens to the word "No". They've never seen an adult ask for permission before grabbing.

If we want boys to grow into men who accept rejection gracefully, it might help if they grow up around adults who accept rejection gracefully.


I haven't seen a leap like that since Sam Beckett.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 09 Mar 2014, 15:00

Apparently, Scotland has a racial problem, especially coming from white "thugs" and "gargoyles". The solution to Scottish people not wanting foreigners and people of other races in their country? Impose even more foreigners and people of other races on them!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... w-scotland

More leftie logic: Scotland has an ageing population, so it needs immigrants to pay for people's pensions and health care (because immigrants will never grow old or get ill), and this unqualified statement presented as fact, which I don't think I even need to bother replying to:

It's good to walk down the streets of your city and behold the sights and sounds and smells of different people from far away countries. How can that ever be bad?
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Gavin » 09 Mar 2014, 16:21

Yes, it's wonderful... As you wrote that we have been observing a Muslim man outside our window here in Birmingham who is wandering the streets ranting loudly at every passer-by and waving his hands. He was thrown out of the local Tesco. I'm not sure if the women are frightened because some have their faces completely covered and many will understand the language he is speaking, whereas I cannot. Other Muslim men have been engaging him and chasing him. I thought I might witness him being run over as he has also wandered into the road. Apparently police have been called. Sirens are about as common here as they are in London.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Charlie » 17 Mar 2014, 15:33



To be fair to young Owen, at least he had the decency to refer to the right-wing "campaign" as "extraordinarily clever". :-)

Rather than being "left" or "right" wing, I think the Beeb just aims to keep the status quo of statism and corporatism going.

Jones, being a fan of the former, mistakenly thinks that the latter is exclusively the realm of the right; he just hasn't worked out that "left" and "right" are not really relevant labels in this case.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 19 Apr 2014, 17:33

We have a new undisputed number one on the all-time list! :D

Barbara Ellen says that sexual discrimination laws are for everybody, but the idea of burly guys in overalls and safety helmets complaining about having been treated unfairly compared to female colleagues on the same pay grade at Swansea Metropolitan University jarred and irritated her so much she felt compelled to write an article sneering at them for abusing the system.

After all, what are men (any men!) doing using legislation that was brought in to help women?

...

Obviously there is a middle ground here – where women acknowledge that men have every right to such legislation and men promise not to abuse it.


She ends one paragraph with the question "Are people like myself really as supportive of equal rights (as opposed simply to women's rights) as we like to think we are?", but no comments on the article are allowed, so I and about 500 other people are deprived of our fun answering it.

Get your grubby male hands off my equal rights
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Charlie » 19 Jun 2014, 08:14

It's classic Graun time.

Prepare yourself...



I think I need to lie down.

*From samizdata.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Andreas » 19 Jun 2014, 19:35

This made me chuckle today:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/19/black-panthers-north-korea-us-imperialism

Looking back, Kathleen Cleaver acknowledges “a certain naivety” to the political movements of the era, perhaps inevitable given the relative youth of participants.


A "certain" naivety?... extreme naivety, I think.
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Re: The Guardian's Greatest Hits

Postby Nathan » 23 Jun 2014, 13:02

It's amazing how any journalist who cares about their career can actually dare put their name to some of these ridiculous articles. This one by Silvia Murray Wakefield asks if it's anti-feminist to watch the World Cup, and calls the tournament sexist, ageist and even "disablist", since all the players are relatively young able-bodied men.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... men-sexism
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