Islam in the UK

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Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 16 Apr 2012, 13:14

This topic tends to crop up in many other threads too but I thought I would give it its own thread here, and I start with a post of two halves:

Some Muslims climb very high in the UK. They become Lords and Baronesses and effectively make British laws, while at the same time being proud Muslims. Lord Ahmed is one such, who has allegedly just personally offered a £10m bounty on George Bush and Barack Obama. This is in addition to his previous transgressions.

I think he alone serves as sufficient example that British politics is corrupt in favour of Islam. I would like to think that Ahmed will be extradited for this lastest threat, if this story is true, but since this may cause offence it will not happen. Hasn't the UK become surreal when an appointed peer can say such things? If it is not him it is people like the Labour politician and former Minister for Justice Shahid Malik openly celebrating the prospect of a Muslim parliament and prime minister.

All the time, one thinks to oneself, these are only the few who have "mis-spoken". What else might happen if Malik's wishes come true?


On another note, I was reading about Mohammed yesterday, wondering if a film like The Da Vinci Code could ever be made about Islam without people getting killed, since the "prophet''s image would have to be shown. I think we know the answer. Very much as Adolf Hitler was to Nazis, Mohammed is regarded by Muslims as the perfect example of a human being. If Muslims do not at least aspire to be like him, then they are not being Muslims. Mohammed was a warlord who converted whole nations to Islam by the sword. He had multiple wives and had sexual relations with a nine year old girl. He also heard voices in his head which may have motivated his behaviour, and that would be diagnosed differently today, but the actions and the fact Muslims must admire them are I think a fundamental contradiction which cannot be overcome in modern society.

Jesus was, I suppose, a socialist and/or pacifist, certainly not a warlord. But when you look at what is known about Mohammed, and the fact he is so central to Islam, I'm afraid I don't see how this can ever be compatible with a civilised British society. This is quite apart from the fact that indigenous peoples do not tend to like their countries being taken over by another culture. Either Islam will have to change, and won't be Islam any more, or there's going to be trouble.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Caleb » 17 Apr 2012, 03:45

Gavin: I agree with everything you have written. Islam was founded in blood and has continued that way ever since. It is incompatible with civilised society.

I'd like to look more broadly at how Islam will or will not (have to adapt) to the modern world. To some extent, I think Islam is stronger in withstanding change, but it is more brittle, so if/when it does go, it will go completely. Whereas other religions have had their Reformations, or can coexist with civil society, Islam simply can't do this, I believe. It is axiomatic about Islam that it must dominate. The very name of the religion means submission.

A fairly common meme right now is that Islam is simply reacting against oppression, occupation of its lands, etc. Of course, this misses several key points. Firstly, it misses the point that Islam expanded by occupying the lands of other religions. People often cite the Crusades, whilst completely missing the point that not only were those lands originally Christian long before they were Muslim, but that Europe itself had been invaded by Muslims long before the Crusades. The First Crusade began in 1096, but Spain was invaded in 711. France was invaded in 732. Sicily was first invaded in 652, though not fully conquered until 965.

So then people talk about colonialism in the modern period. Again, they miss the point that several other nations or people who were once "oppressed" by the West are emerging from that and taking their place in the modern world.

This is why I think that outside of Europe -- which is itself a sicker, weaker culture in many respects than the Islam that seeks to colonise it -- Islam is actually in very poor health.

If the dominant narrative is how hard done by the Muslims have been, what about the rise of China? What about India? They were colonised and occupied. Yet, to some extent, they're getting over it, or at least not letting it hold them back. Why? Because they look forward, not backward to a backward, 7th century "golden age".

Many Muslims seem to think that when the Great Satan falls, a new Caliphate will take its place as top dog in the world. If and when America is no longer number one, the new number one is not going to be Islamic. Firstly, I simply don't think that's going to happen because most of the world would not willingly accept Islam, and I think we live in a post-Imperial age. The rest of the world would band together pretty quickly if anyone tried to expand the Caliphate to Latin America or East Asia, for instance.

What will Islam's excuse be then? China has had comparatively little contact with Islam. Much of India was occupied by Muslims (though I'm sure they'll spin Kashmir into something it's not). What about Brazil? It's had basically zero contact with Islam, so how is the Islamic world going to pin its misfortune on Brazil's rise? This is also true of much smaller nations that really punch above their bodyweight. For instance, as far as I know, Korea has had no significant contact with Islam.

This really is the story of our times then, and I think in some way, the Muslim world knows it too, even if they don't want to admit it. If China and India, former civilisations conquered by the West, can rise again, and if Brazil, a nation formed by the descendents of colonists and slaves can rise, what's Islam's excuse? They don't have one. As such, at some point, they're going to have to reform Islam out of existence if they really want to enjoy modern life and all of its trappings, or they're forever going to lag behind. I've been to four Muslim nations -- Egypt, Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia, and simply put, no one does any work. Their countries are fairly backward because everyone has time to go to the mosque five times a day, or sit around doing nothing, but no one has any time to actually work. Even in Malaysia, it's the ethnic Chinese who create all the wealth (in fact, they're so much better at it than the ethnic Malays that there is institutionalised discrimination, such as affirmative action, against the Chinese, which is why so many have left Malaysia for places such as Australia). On the other hand, any short trip to East Asian countries (including Vietnam, which is more East Asian than Southeast Asian, in my opinion) and it's like chalk and cheese.

The same old blame game simply won't work with China, India or Brazil. They don't suffer from the same absurd sense of guilt that the West does. The minute any Muslim flies a plane into a building in Shanghai, China will turn Mecca into a glass parking lot and no one will be able to stop them, even if they want to. What, the U.S. is going to go to war with China over Muslims? Not likely. If anything, the U.S. would help them!

Islam will continue to be a problem in Europe, but only because, as I previously wrote, the cultures there are even sicker. Elsewhere in the world, it's going to become less and less relevant by the passing year. It will still be an annoying force, especially while it has oil reserves, but its influence will diminish, and once the oil is gone, the influence of Islam will disappear completely, other than in Europe. That's unfortunate for Europe, but everywhere else will be fairly fine.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 21 Apr 2012, 02:24

This report, from the BBC amazingly enough, is quite eye-opening. It concerns incestuous marriage in Britain's Asian communities.

It is estimated that three out of four marriages within Bradford's Pakistani community are between first cousins.

Such unions are seen as strong, building as they do on already tight family networks.

British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses.

Indeed, Birmingham Primary Care Trust estimates that one in ten of all children born to first cousins in the city either dies in infancy or goes on to develop serious disability as a result of a recessive genetic disorder.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 21 Apr 2012, 08:15

That's interesting coming from the BBC. From 2005, I notice. Maybe it just slipped through back then. It's amazing how the Left will usually contort their thought processes to excuse Islam, simply because of people's skin colour - it strikes me that this is a kind of racism in itself.

If it isn't bigamy, then, it's incest. When you put forced marriage and genital mutilation into the mix, along with perhaps a bit of demon exorcism, you really see how enriched Western culture is made by importing these foreign cultures. This, I suppose, is what those behind "the project" didn't see: you can't just pick and choose what parts of a foreign culture are going to occur in your country. Some of these practices are quite fundamental to them.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 08 May 2012, 19:31

Towards the very end of his tenure as Prime Minister, Gordon Brown famously messed up by describing a disaffected Labour voter as "just a sort of bigoted woman" after she had questioned his government's policy of letting in huge numbers of Eastern Europeans.

Political correctness prevented her from saying that her town, Rochdale, has a large population of Muslim immigrants. Among that population are men who groom and rape under-age white girls.

11 men - 10 Pakistanis, one Afghani (an asylum seeker) have been tried in Manchester, with 6 convicted of conspiracy, trafficking, sexual assault and rape. A head honcho in the Greater Manchester Police commented on the case:

Asst. Chief Constable Steve Heywood wrote:It is not a racial issue. This is about adults preying on vulnerable young children. It just happens that in this particular area and time the demographics were that these were Asian men.


Meantime in Liverpool, an astonishing 47 "Asian" men are being tried on similar charges.

This is at least one facet of Islam in the UK. And it's a facet that will grow and grow.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 11 May 2012, 20:47

Douglas Murray gives a typically high-quality reflection on the Rochdale case.

Pathological people are often said to lack the ability to analyse their own actions as they can those of other people. Much of Britain has developed a curious flip version of this. Narcissistically intent on analysing our own supposed failings — particularly our allegedly unending racism, intolerance and bigotry — we appear to have completely lost the ability to analyse, or even interest ourselves in, the actions of anybody else. The Rochdale case is not representative of all Muslims. And it’s not representative of all Pakistanis. But it is representative of something.


That "something" being: totally different people living alongside each other.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 11 May 2012, 22:04

I think this is quite a simple one, we are just not allowed to explain the causes in the MSM.

  1. In terms of explaining the paedophile attraction in the first place, we should remember that Muhammed had sex with a nine year old girl. It is incumbent upon every Muslim to consider Muhammed the perfect example of a man - this is why they utter "peace be upon him" even after just saying his name. Muslims do not - cannot - believe Muhammed ever did anything wrong. Therefore, this kind of behaviour is presumably acceptable within Islam.
  2. This is a case of straightforward racism. "It's only a white girl, it's not one of ours, therefore we'll do what we want." Indeed it is also a kuffar, a non-believer, and the Qur'an clearly states, over and over, how these should be regarded by Muslims. Not only this, but a female kuffar - even lower status.

Of course, I am against young girls dressing like prostitutes, which they do across the UK now, but this is why we are seeing this behaviour from this community. We should hardly be surprised.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 12 May 2012, 14:23

A fine video from Mr Weston on this topic.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 22 May 2012, 10:58

Isn't it terrifying to think that until very recently this man was Senior Political Editor of the New Statesman magazine here in the UK? That's how far the Left will go. He's also invited onto the BBC and LBC a lot too, but there he is careful with what he says: Islam is a religion of peace, etc. etc.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 22 May 2012, 11:43

Mehdi Hasan is a nasty piece of work. His great achievement is to appear charming, reasonable and collected, when I think deep down he is anything but.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 01 Jun 2012, 09:55

An article I just referenced refers to "white flight". I am a part of that, I guess. When I was living in Balham, almost every car that went past my window had somebody of a different culture than mine in it, and I would frequently open my door to the sight of families of Somalies walking very slowly down the street, the women clutching their mobile phones. They were making no effort at all to integrate with the British culture, because, well, they are encouraged by the state not to do so. We, the guilty, are told by the Left that we should learn from them as they enrich our society - that is hard though when they come from a backward culture and are not interested in integrating.

Frankly, I just began to feel not very at home any more. I couldn't talk to anyone, no-one was like me.

One day, I heard Muslim prayers blaring across the estate (which was in a conservation area but looked very run down due to the policy of putting housing association people there - who lived for free - alongside those who were paying a fortune). I couldn't understand it. I thought all the mosques are in nearby Tooting, they shouldn't be audible from here. (There is, though, one in Balham too.) This Islamic preaching to the western host went on for about 2-3 hours. Obviously some powerful megaphones were being used so after a while I got my shoes on and went out to see what on earth was going on.

Out on Tooting Common, about a mile away, I found several hundred Muslims who had been allowed by the Labour council and Sadiq Khan MP to set up megaphones on and mark the end of Ramadan (I think it was). As I was trying to work on code in my house, this was a major annoyance to me - even more so since I find consider Islam to be an evil and repellant ideology based upon lies. I am against one culture being taken over by another, especially an inferior one, so all this being the case, I wrote to the council to ask what they thought they were doing by allowing this.

I received a fairly contrite reply. The council woman was obviously trying to be very PC and go along with all Muslim demands (that was of paramount importance) but had also received a few complaints. She explained that they were trying to minimise noise by holding the event behind trees. They could better have minimised it by banning the megaphones or just banning such an event altogether in a public place. Anyway, this gives you a flavour of what's going on in London.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 06 Jul 2012, 21:04

Six Muslims arrested on suspicion of plotting terrorist attacks in the UK, including a white man converted to the religion of peace. I'm not sure what would be a fitting punishment for these folks if guilty, but no doubt they will be treated much more kindly than traitors were in the past.

The lesson will be set that, should others wish to engage in such activity, they may find themselves condemned to at least five years of leisure, with full board paid for along with three hot meals, gym facilities and satellite TV. That should be a sufficient deterrent...
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 06 Jul 2012, 22:00

Gavin wrote:a white man converted to the religion of peace


What's quite strange about that man, judging by the video below, is that he doesn't even sound English. His accent and pronunciation... if you heard him without seeing him, you would think he was a "British Asian".

I wonder how many people (of my exact age, incidentally) around Britain now speak like that? It's like an Asian equivalent of Jafaikan.



He's even taken on one of the linguistic characteristics of British Asians, in a subtle but really quite sinister way:

your fellow democrats the Wikileaks they come out


It may simply be that he is not well-versed in the language of his own country (which would hardly be surprising), but it seems strange that he has taken on a precise grammatical flaw used by Asian immigrants - namely adding a personal pronoun where it is not needed. This is something I've seen in other Islamic videos - "Tony Blair he bombed my fellow Muslims" etc.

I suppose a simpler explanation would be that someone else wrote the speech for him - a "real" "British Asian" - and he just parroted it like the good Muslim he wants to be.

Whatever the reason, it seems ominous when a national language is used in different ways by religious groups; it's a subtle sign of deep division, and may be a forerunner to more "active" division (civil war). But I acknowledge I may be over-estimating this, due to my personal obsession with language degradation.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 06 Jul 2012, 22:43

I hadn't even watched the video - what a load of rubbish the bloke talks, and yes, in such poor English. I suppose that speaking as badly as his friends earns him some kind of credibility with them. He does seem to be reading a prepared speech, very badly.

That's an interesting observation about the misuse of the personal pronoun - this does seem to be particular to "Fakasian", if I may coin the term.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 10 Jul 2012, 19:22

Here's a story that will disappear quickly: three gentlemen have been arrested on terror charges suspected of planning to attack (and presumably murder) British citizens using explosives and firearms.

I heard the story on BBC Radio 4 (amazingly) where it was was announced that the intended victims were members of the EDL, which the BBC groundlessly described as "far right". By contrast, they did not refer to the plotters as extremist in any way. Their names were Mohammed, Omar and Jewel.
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