Islam in the UK

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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Robert » 21 Nov 2012, 17:33

Hilaire Belloc wrote some interesting and perceptive things about Islam. He was writing, mainly, in the 1920's and 1930's, but he saw Islam as a threat at least equal to if not greater than Fascism and aggressive nationalism ( its interesting Hitler had at least one Muslim SS division ). He said that really the only thing that was stopping miltant Islam from conquering the west was the west's technological superiority which meant that we could always deliver a devastating military response if the Mohammedans threatened our culture and way of life. But that was predicated on a robust sense of our own spiritual and essentially Judeao Christian heritage which armed us with the willingness to use all means necessary to protect ourselves, our families and our culture.Belloc saw this moral capability weakening by the year in the west (and this was a a hundred years ago) with a corresponding strengthening of militant Islam - as our moral power went down, theirs went up.
He couldn't have forseen ( or did he ) the mass immigration that for instance has turned areas of the UK into Sharia no go areas, aided and abetted by the quislings of the westminster political class.But then I suppose he would have said, well, this is only the result, the medical sympton, of the disease of marxism that has now so thoroughly poisoned the wells of our domestic culture and politics.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 23 Nov 2012, 20:28

That's very interesting, Robert. I personally wasn't aware that Belloc had written about Islam.

Speaking of our Judeo-Christian heritage, you may like to contribute to this thread on that subject. I would be particularly interested in your response to my final question in the OP.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 24 Nov 2012, 16:18

Here is a pretty shocking collection of failures in Yorkshire relating to Muslim paedophile gangs. It should be noted the main council involved, Rotherham, is the one that just took children away from foster parents who were members of UKIP.

Here is a list of crimes for which no man (eg. Muslim) was prosecuted:

  • a 14-year-old girl being forced to perform sex acts on five men – four Pakistanis and an Iraqi Kurd asylum seeker
  • a British Pakistani man was found in a car with a bottle of vodka and a 12-year-old. Both were arrested on suspicion of stealing the car. Police also found pornographic images of the girl on the 22-year-old's phone
  • a 14-year-old girl missing for a week was found under the influence of drugs in a car with a man 20 years older. They had had sex but he was arrested only for drug possession
  • a 13-year-old girl was found drunk at 3am in a derelict house with a "large group of adult males" who had plied her with vodka. She was arrested for a public order offence while the men walked away
  • a vulnerable white girl who was sexually abused by an Asian gang was offered lessons in Urdu and Punjabi to "educate her"

It is when you read news like this that you realise just how much the Western Left despise their own people and culture. I cannot say what I would do with these people as it would violate the forum's rules.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 24 Nov 2012, 19:32

This is an appalling catalogue. Needless to say, I would deport the men involved if at all possible (i.e. if their countries of origin would have them), but not before them being flogged. I do think the return of the stocks - public shaming - would be a good thing for low level criminals (burglars and the like), and for cases like this, flogging.

But the main issue is the "enablers" - the useful idiots who allow this kind of thing to happen. That is to say, the council workers and left-wing politicians. There have been a lot of cover-ups recently - their names should be found and not forgotten, and carefully considered punishment should be reserved for them. They know exactly what they are doing: they are racists and due to turning blind eyes are responsible for great suffering when they are actually appointed to prevent it.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 25 Nov 2012, 17:08

As for the "enablers", here is a (claimed) description of the social worker who took ethnic minority children away from UKIP-supporting foster parents:

I have met Joyce Thacker on a few occasions, whilst she was head of Bradford youth service. At the moment there is a yet-to-emerge story regarding grooming and child abuse in the Bradford/ Keighley area that is equal to if not bigger than the terrible events in Rotherham (see Anne Cryer MP, who has been vocal on this). Joyce Thacker oversaw the stopping of prosecutions... and let the repeated rapes carry on... They still are going on. She had a reputation with staff as someone who would attack them in a brutal manner if they had the temerity to challenge her. I know that one of her lines was that if staff mentioned abuse by Asian men, they would be dismissed for racism. As you can imagine, they were not happy bunnies, as some staff were working directly with victims.

Mrs Thacker has a track record in colluding with and covering up abuse.
She should face criminal prosecution for this collusion.

She has little professional experience or training in child protection.

In Bradford she left a "disrupted" youth service and a general atmosphere of fear regarding senior management.

I worked for a charity project, and viewed with horror, her actions (in-actions!) and was disturbed when she got the job in Rotherham. Maybe she got the job as she is skilled in cover up, blaming others and dodging the bullets.

A word of warning; Joyce will be swift and nasty when challenged, blaming anyone and smearing them as much as she can. If she was profiled by a psychologist, the report would match that of a sociopath.


And here is what such people are enabling:
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The one about "no porn or prostitution" is ironic, given the child grooming that hardline Muslims (in their thousands) are known to be involved with. But I suppose, since the children weren't being paid, it wasn't really prostitution. And since they were just kuffar children, I suppose it doesn't really matter anyway. Joyce Thacker would seem to agree, as would every social worker, every politician, every police commissioner and every council official who colluded to perpetuate these Muslim paedophile rings.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 05 Dec 2012, 17:25

I was listening to James Whale's radio programme again today on LBC and he was covering the topic of Newham Council being due to grant or decline planning permission for a "mega-mosque" to accommodate over 9,000 Muslims. It's still on now, actually.

As is to be expected from London, a lot of the callers are Muslims. I've heard everything in the last hour from "Civilisation came from Islam" to "If my daughter married a non-Muslim I would pray for him to become Muslim" (this Muslim had six children).

I thought to myself: how long, in a democracy, can Islam continue to be resisted? Not long. Not once it gets to tipping point numbers, surely. If 90% of your residents are Muslim and they run the local council, how on earth can planning permission be denied?

At that point people are going to have to take the gloves off. Even personalities on the radio are going to have to start admitting that it isn't the size of the building, the location, or anything else they object to. It's Islam. They don't want to see their country Islamized, pure and simple. Trouble ahead - thanks to multiculturalism and feminism.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 05 Dec 2012, 17:42

This article provides quite an interesting view of how Islam works its way into a society.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 13 Dec 2012, 15:36

I'm sorry to link to a BNP supporting page here (since I am not really sure of their policies and do not like many of the kinds of people I have seen supporting them) but I was just wondering whether a church has explicitly been converted into a mosque in the UK yet.

Apparently at least eight have been, no doubt with many more to follow. I'm not sure if I am "stirring up religious hatred" when I point to the growth of a religion within our borders which calls for the death of apostates and infidels - hopefully not. Pat Condell seems to have survived so far, so I'll take my chances.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Tom » 13 Dec 2012, 22:14

Gavin,
it is a matter of mystery and regret to me that in spite of the large majority of the population against immigration (and these poll results make interesting reading on that subject), a large proportion of the information and political leadership in this area can only be had from unsavoury sources.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 13 Dec 2012, 22:56

Yes, I think it's just fear, Tom. Fear for their jobs, their livelihoods. I suppose I would be the same if I had a normal job - I suppose I was. We have to try to break that fear. Even some discussion here (and I would never disclose people's contact details unless forced to do so!) helps to sway the climate such that objecting to the Islamisation of the UK will no longer be taboo.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 20 Dec 2012, 00:01

Further to my posts over in the political correctness thread, I want to float a few ideas here too. I want to try to look at this issue from our politicians' point of view. Let's imagine that a few of them feel as many of us do about Islam. Deep inside, David Cameron doesn't want to see the UK become Islamic. Maybe he really sees no problem with Islam, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a moment. Maybe Mr Cameron would like, in an ideal world, all Muslims out of the UK and a traditional British culture restored.

But there is this thing called political expediency, realism - or realpolitik. If he comes out, Geert Wilders style, and says "I do not like the tenets of Islam, it is not a religion of this country, it is not where we want this country to head", what's going to happen? He's going to have rioting on his hands. Could it be contained? Maybe these calculations have been made. I don't think the police would be enough - not now. The army would have to get involved. Then there would be the UN up in arms about it. There would be claims of human rights violations, freedom of religion etc. Foreign countries might get involved too. Massive repercussions on diplomatic relations with Islamic countries, on trade, jobs. Enormous economic costs, what with trashed towns and cities, not to mention loss of life. They might even see themselves as responsible for triggering WWIII.

So they try to control the situation. Keep the Muslims calm, try to accommodate the wishes without accommodating them too much. Try to westernise them. This must be what is going on. They think anything else would just be too much of an upheaval. Geert Wilders seems to have made the other judgement - that it is better to be honest. He would probably start restricting Islam quite considerably once in power too - follow through with his beliefs.

Eventually demographics will settle matters, and the gamble is on whether Muslims will become more like their host culture, or will in general prefer to be more isolated. The more cynical among us believe the latter.

I should add I don't think Labour are thinking as the Conservatives might be. They either don't see any problem with Islam or they just don't care and are happy to have as many Muslims as possible in the country as long as they think it will bring them votes (it would for a while, but not forever).

The thing is, Muslims are not breaking any law of the land simply by being Muslim. If they break laws, they can be prosecuted under them (honour killings, etc.). What we are talking about is rather simply a massive cultural change, resulting in many people feeling like strangers in the towns where they grew up. It isn't illegal, we just don't like it.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 17 Jan 2013, 22:23

People abroad might be wondering about the extent of the Muslim paedophile scandals that have been erupting in Britain over the last year or so. Here is a fairly shocking example (though not as shocking as that of Charlene Downes)...

An 11-year-old girl was branded with an 'M' for Mohammed on her buttocks to show she 'belonged' to a member of a child sex ring, the Old Bailey heard today.

The child was repeatedly subjected to 'torture sex' sessions where she was bound and gagged before being raped by members of the gang, a jury was told.

The girl is the youngest victim of nine men who allegedly hung around outside schools and care homes to recruit vulnerable victims they could use and abuse.

The court heard how the girl had been ‘sold’ by an unidentified man to an alleged member of the sex ring, Mohammed Karrar, in mid-2004.

After what she describes as a ‘nicey-nicey honeymoon period’ in which she was lavished with gifts including perfume, she was then plied with hard drugs.

It is alleged that Karrar then pimped her out, raping her in her own living room and inviting others to do the same.

Jurors were told he thought he ‘could get away with doing anything’ because her parents were deaf and had learning difficulties.

Prosecutor Noel Lucas QC told the court: ‘He kept telling her he was going to get back the money he had paid for her.'

The court heard that Mohammed Karrar got the girl, who is now 19, pregnant just after her 12th birthday. He then took her to a backstreet clinic in Reading for an abortion.

‘It was not a proper clinic, but a room at the back of a house,’ Mr Lucas explained. ‘She saw instruments laid out. She was given a couple of pills and saw what looked like a large crochet hook, which was used to undertake the procedure. Procuring a miscarriage by these means is not only entirely unlawful, it is also extremely dangerous and can lead to all sorts of medical complications, including death.’

Around the same time, Mohammed Karrar is also said to have branded an ‘M’ for 'Mo' on to her buttocks using one of her hairpins.

‘He told her he wanted people to know she belonged to him,’ said Mr Lucas.

On one occasion when she tried to fight him off, he knocked her out with a metal baseball bat.

The girl was later introduced to Mohammed’s brother Bassam, who allegedly gang raped her after forcing her to watch an episode of Eurotrash.

The pair went on to organise group sex sessions with other men. 'Clients' would be charged up to £500 for regular sex and £600 for bondage sessions, the court heard.

The abuse is said to have continued until August 2009, when the girl was aged 15.

She described her abusers as ‘sick sex monsters’ who were playing ‘mind games’ with her, the court heard.


That is the entirety of the article's content about this particular girl, but it details the experiences of other girls.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Gavin » 30 Jan 2013, 17:52

In other news today, a Muslim millionaire has been, so far, asked to remove a notice in 2ft lettering on house which proclaims that "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger". This is being done under the planning laws for domestic advertising, nothing to do with promoting a divisive, intolerant and imperialist faith.

In a remark bound to infuriate and offend the native population who value the traditions of the UK, a member of the family says he doesn't see how what they have done is any different to flying the flag of St George in England.

A twenty-five year old liberal nearby agrees, saying the lettering "adds a bit of colour to the street". I'd venture that this may be a little naive.

It isn't done and dusted yet. The millionaire has applied for permission to illuminate his notice and a council planning meeting will be held next month to decide what will actually happen in this case. Good for The Telegraph in actually reporting it. They've been showing a lot of courage recently, I think.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Nathan » 30 Jan 2013, 18:14

With a lot of these Muslim stories recently it's depressing to see just where they have got to - this one was in Newport, South Wales - not an area I know personally but not one I'd ever expect to have much of a Muslim presence.

I'm in two minds about how I want this case to proceed, thinking tactically. I personally would not want to have to see it were I living nearby, but taken from the point of view I hold that unfortunately some kind of future conflict with Islam is inevitable we will only start to reverse the tide of the Islamisation of this country once the public's patience has finally been stretched too far.

With or without immigration, time is not on our side considering the birth rates. If this man is allowed to advertise the most pernicious political ideology in the world today and it succeeds in annoying his neighbours that much that the day the general public mood turns sour is brought forward even by a little without the need for suicide bombers or grooming gangs, then taken in a wider context it will have done us a favour.
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Re: Islam in the UK

Postby Elliott » 01 Feb 2013, 06:03

In Oswestry, they've just lost a church and gained a mosque, even though nearly twice as many people objected to the proposal as approved of it.
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