Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 22 Feb 2013, 01:32

Prior to Elliott furnishing us with more public comments, I've been thinking: it must be a very strange thing to be an MSM journalist these days. You've got your line to toe and then every time you open up an article to the public you see yourself ridiculed with countless examples that the public do not agree with you. They're not in anybody's pay, they just report society as they experience it. Probably as you experience it too.

I find myself wondering how the conversation goes in the BBC office or Telegraph office when this happens, when 3,000 comments come in, 2,800 of which disagree with the journalist and convincingly explain why. At the Telegraph they know what's going on and I think some journalists go as close as they think they can to the truth. At the BBC I suspect they are far more superior and adopt the view that they know better than the 2,800 commenters. They just need to educate them more. It might even frighten them a bit. It might even cross their minds that there could eventually be repercussions for them as these numbers grow.

So they'll go on saying that Peckham, Tower Hamlets and Whitechapel are nice places to live (but, of course, they won't live there themselves). Nobody's buying it though because multiculturalism has been a failure and people are feeling alienated in their own country and in their own capital city.

It'll be interesting to observe how the MSM (and politicians) handle this as the elephant in the room continues to grow.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Nathan » 22 Feb 2013, 10:48

Gavin wrote: They just need to educate them more.


That's exactly what I thought when I turned on the BBC website earler today and on the home page there were three pieces of quite thinly-veiled pro-MC propaganda. One was the supposed unfairness at a university Muslim prayer room with past suspicions of terrorist content being closed down the day after a guilty verdict in a major terrorist bomb plot, one a story saying how glorious it was to see a girl in a hijab watching Bradford City FC (the article quotes somebody who calls football "institutionally racist", despite the fact that most players in the English league are non-English and half of the English ones seem to be black!), and an audio article about the important part Turkish Cypriots have played in London life'.

They're getting desperate.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 26 Mar 2013, 17:11

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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Nathan » 05 Apr 2013, 13:25

I thought I'd attach the figures which prompted these comments to give a flavour of what is happening. This is, as it says, a selected list taken from the comments section on this article, and it may not show towns not so starkly affected (and it doesn't show anywhere in Scotland or Northern Ireland at all), but it sends a shudder down the spine of anyone who has any plans to move away to somewhere where one can live one's life without having one's nose rubbed in diversity: it isn't just a few major cities any more; practically anywhere is susceptible to a 10-15% fall in the WB population in just ten years. Unless something quite dramatic happens, the figures below will likely never be as high as these ever again due to age profiles and birthrates, even if all immigration was completely stopped today.

How can supposedly quintessentially British places like Oxford or Cambridge now both be less than two-thirds native white British, down from being above three-quarters a decade earlier? How long before our country's cities number two and three, Birmingham and Manchester, join our city number one in passing below the 50% mark? And what on Earth happened to Slough, other than a mass sense of 'retreat and regroup'?

Percentage of white British in selected urban authorities in 2001 and 2011

Bedford 80.8% (2001) - > 71.5% (2011)
Birmingham 65.6% (2001) - > 53.1% (2011)
Blackburn 76.1% (2001) - > 66.5% (2011)
Bristol 88.0% (2001) - > 77.9% (2011)
Bradford 76.1% (2001) - > 63.9% (2011)
Brighton 88.0% (2001) - > 80.5% (2011)
Bournemouth 92.5% (2001) - > 83.8% (2011)
Cardiff 88.3% (2001) - > 80.3% (2011)
Cambridge 78.5% (2001) - > 66.0% (2011)
Coventry 78.3% (2001) - > 66.6% (2011)
Crawley 84.5% (2001) - > 72.1% (2011)
Derby 84.4% (2001) - > 75.3% (2011)
Gravesham 87.2% (2001) - > 77.1% (2011)
Ipswich 90.8% (2001) - > 82.9% (2011)
Kirklees 83.7% (2001) - > 76.7% (2011)
Leeds 89.2% (2001) - > 81.1% (2011)
Leicester 60.5% (2001) - > 45.1% (2011)
Liverpool 91.8% (2001) - > 84.8 (2011)
Luton 65.0% (2001) - > 44.6% (2011)
Manchester 74.5% (2001) - > 59.3% (2011)
Milton Keynes 86.8% (2001) - > 73.9% (2011)
Newcastle 90.7% (2001) - > 81.9% (2011)
Northampton 87.7% (2001) - > 76.6% (2011)
Norwich 93.5% (2001) - > 84.7% (2011)
Nottingham 81.1% (2001) - > 65.4% (2011)
Oxford 76.8% (2001) - > 63.6% (2011)
Peterborough 85.75 (2001) - > 70.9% (2011)
Portsmouth 91.9% (2001) - > 84.0% (2011)
Preston 83.1% (2001) - > 75.8% (2011)
Reading 80.6% (2001) - > 65.3% (2011)
Sandwell 78.0% (2001) - > 65.8% (2011)
Sheffield 89.2% (2001) - > 80.8% (2011)
Slough 58.3% (2001) - > 34.5% (2011)
Southampton 88.7% (2001) - > 77.7% (2011)
Swansea 95.7% (2001) - > 91.5% (2011)
Walsall 85.2% (2001) - > 76.9% (2011)
Wolverhampton 75.4% (2001) - > 64.5% (2011)
Wycombe 83.6% (2001) - > 75.9% (2011)

Percentage of white British in London boroughs 2001 and 2011

Barking and Dagenham 80.9% (2001) - > 49.5% (2011)
Barnet 59.9% (2001) - > 45.5% (2011)
Bexley 88.0% (2001) - > 77.3% (2011)
Brent 29.2.% (2001) - > 18.0% (2011)
Bromley 86.5% (2001) - > 77.4% (2011)
Camden 52.7% (2001) - > 44.0% (2011)
City of London 68.3% (2001) - > 57.5% (2011)
Croydon 63.7% (2001) - > 47.3% (2011)
Ealing 44.9% (2001) - > 30.4% (2011)
Enfield 61.2% (2001) - > 40.5% (2011)
Greenwich 70.6% (2001) - > 52.3% (2011)
Hackney 44.1% (2001) - > 36.2% (2011)
Hammersmith & Fulham 58.0% (2001) - > 44.9% (2011)
Haringey 45.3% (2001) - > 34.7% (2011)
Harrow 49.9% (2001) - > 30.9% (2011)
Havering 92.0% (2001) - > 83.3% (2011)
Hillingdon 72.5% (2001) - > 52.2% (2011)
Hounslow 55.8% (2001) - > 37.9% (2011)
Islington 56.8% (2001) - > 47.7% (2011)
Kensington & Chelsea 50.1% (2001) - > 39.3% (2011)
Kingston upon Thames 75.9% (2001) - > 63.1% (2011)
Lambeth 49.6% (2001) - > 39.0% (2011)
Lewisham 57.0% (2001) - > 41.5% (2011)
Merton 64.0% (2001) - > 48.4% (2011)
Newham 33.8% (2001) - > 16.7% (2011)
Redbridge 57.5% (2001) - > 34.5% (2011)
Richmond upon Thames 78.7% (2001) - > 71.4% (2011)
Southwark 52.2% (2001) - > 39.7% (2011)
Sutton 83.7% (2001) - > 70.9% (2011)
Tower Hamlets 42.9% (2001) - > 31.2% (2011)
Waltham Forest 55.7% (2001) - > 36.0% (2011)
Wandsworth 64.8% (2001) - > 53.3% (2011)
Westminster 48.5% (2001) - > 35.2% (2011)


In spite of this, we are apparently more tolerant of immigration as the numbers increase, according to this article in the Telegraph. (Well, there may be some truth in that. If this level of demographic change had deliberately been inflicted on the British people of a past era, severed Establishment heads would now be stuck on city gates up and down the country. Now, we just moan about it on the Internet.) No comments were allowed this time...
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 05 Apr 2013, 15:53

It is always interesting to see the facts and figures and see how accurately they are measuring what one actually sees out on the streets. I place more faith in the latter and I suppose this is because all of the illegal immigrants do not even show up on these reports.

A terminal combination of feminism and mass immigration (particularly Islamic) has led, it seems, to indigenous demographic and cultural suicide. Yet still politicians are in denial and talk about "strengths" etc. They must know it's not true. If they visit just a single one of these areas they can see it's not true and they can see why decent traditional British people feel violated: robbed of jobs, houses and of their very community, whereby they had a culture and language in common with their neighbour.

They noticed that those who had come to replace them did not have anything like a superior culture, and even if they had it would still have been wrong. Most of all, they were never even given any option in the matter. Decisions affecting their whole lives were made for them, without publicity, but the people had to live with the consequences, never those who made the decisions. What a cruel act perpetrate upon a nation that one has been elected to lead (Tony Blair): to deliberately divide it and bankrupt in pursuit of your misguided "mission".

Perhaps the right punishment for these politicians would simply be to force them to live in these communities henceforth?
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 20 May 2013, 16:05

The following comments are from underneath this story.

"Thomas" wrote:"Our grandparents fought for the preservation of an English culture against invading foreign influences (the nazis). Little did they suspect that their efforts would be in vain. For fifty years later, Britain would lose its identity to a host of foreign influences. The difference is that our grandfathers could fight proudly against the loss of the country they knew and loved. For us, if we raised our heads above the parapet to protest against the disintegration of our cuture, we would get shot down by pc fascists, accusing us of racism. How is it a free country when we are not even permitted to express pride in where we are from?"


"Dave" wrote:"At no time, ever, has a British government had a mandate to allow immigration on the scale we have seen in recent years and at no time, ever, have they put the issue before the electorate either for debate or to allow a vote to gauge public opinion on the issue. Form you own opinion."
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 04 Sep 2013, 21:34

A lot more coming in here.

british_libertarian wrote:If I wanted to live in a Third World country I would move to a Third World country. I don't want the political class bringing millions from the Third World here and taking my money to pay for their housing.


joestrummer wrote:The endless tsunami of unwanted mass immigration into the UK is destroying our social infrastructures, be it affordable housing, our NHS on the brink of collapse, and now the crisis of our overcrowded schools appearing on various television news items tonight. Yet the one glaring, specific reason for all three of the above is predictably and deliberately ignored by the media and politicians.

And its going to get worse, folks, a lot worse.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Elliott » 05 Sep 2013, 00:51

vingoreth wrote:There is no economic argument for immigration because you can't put a price on having a secure homeland.

Where does the beheading of Lee Rigby stand on the balance sheet?

How much GDP has to be generated to justify the mass sexual slavery of white girls as young as 11?

The economic argument is moot.


Muzeli wrote:If there was an economic argument, the UN would be demanding that poor countries such as those in Africa, open their doors.


Muzeli wrote:Mass immigration is regime change.
Get rid of the indigenous population and force on us a diverse disparate populous that easy to control.


hannegan wrote:One thing we must stop is the native British tax payer paying for his own ethnic cleansing and dispossession by financing third world immigrants and Muslims to have large numbers of children, and subsidised housing. This creates a situation were it becomes too expensive for native British to be able to buy or rent accommodation and raise a family.

The truth might be ugly to some, but it does not make it less true.

We must discriminate when it comes to child benefits, welfare, employment, health treatment, school and university places and housing in favour of native British. Why?

For the simple reason that if we don't the native British birth rate will begin to decline exponentially for economic reasons and then implode when critical mass is reached. Mass White flight migration of native British will also increase at an exponential rate as third world immigrants begin to organise and empower themselves to advance their own identity group interests and fight for political, economic and territorial power and resources.
Even now the British native birth rate is below replacement level and one third of all births are from immigrants.

There is one ground principal that all native British and other Whites everywhere must agree upon, and that is that becoming a minority in your own homeland is not an option and that it is non-negotiable.

To repeat; to anyone who wants to quibble, disseminate, argue, throw names and insults, negotiate, about this, the answer must be -- that as a first principal, losing our country by becoming a plummeting minority, it is not an option, it is non-negotiable.

The enemy who wants to morally justify our ethnic cleansing with his guilt tripping clever syntax, wordisms and name calling, can take it, leave it, or shove it where the sun don't shine .

Survival, the defence of our ancestral soil, and the future of our children and all our descendants comes first.

This is not just our right, it is our duty . We don't have to morally justify it , It is morally justified already because it is hewn in universal natural law.for all peoples everywhere, and by the way in UN International law, not that it should matter a damn if it wasn't .

It is NOT an option.


Jack Smith wrote:I am sick of immigration being couched in purely economic terms. Even if we accept that there may be a marginal economic gain that appears on some civil servant's balance sheet, there is a massive cost to the fabric of society and our national identity. The past 65 years have seen our country overwhelmed by vast numbers of culturally incompatible aliens. The post-WW2 mass immigration phenomenon has been and continues to be a social and cultural disaster and nothing can compensate for the disruption, erosion of identity, loss of status and social chaos that it is has undoubtedly caused.

Mass immigration is a crime against humanity in regard to native Britons and those responsible for allowing it should be tried for treason.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 15 Sep 2013, 18:11

Vinnie Jones, who is lucky enough to be able to live where he likes, recently said that London has too many immigrants and is "past its sell-by date". He added:

"There's nothing to come back to here... it's not the country I grew up in. It's a European country now. If someone blindfolded you and put you on a plane in LA, and you landed at Heathrow and they took it off, you wouldn't have a clue where you were."


...which is true, of course. When you land in Florida you see videos being played of the Stars and Stripes, proudly announcing American values and lifestyle (even if that is not always the reality once you get into the country). The first thing you usually see at Heathrow or Gatwick is panels missing from ceilings, emergency tape patching things up, and a Muslim on the immigration desk. (Mind you, your travelling companions, the indigenous Brits, usually look pretty slovenly and thuggish, too.)

In a case of another celebrity "coming out", Marc Almond said in 2010: "the London I love seems to be disappearing every day". I wonder if he meant what he would most obviously mean. And I wonder whether he would have been one of those to call caution about this in his earlier days? Doubtful. As doubtful as with Cleese and the others.

The thing is, the British never wanted to live in a third world slum with foreign languages being spoken everywhere around them - and they certainly never wanted to live in an Islamic country. They liked London as it was. This situation was forced upon them. They cannot afford private housing due to rich immigrants purchasing it, and cannot be spared social housing due to it being provided instead to immigrants who claim refugee status. It's little wonder they're so angry.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Elliott » 15 Sep 2013, 19:41

I doubt very much that Marc Almond was talking about the demographics. It looks like a reference to the disappearance of old buildings. Still, at least we can agree with him about modern architecture!
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 07 Nov 2013, 20:47

James Kirkup considers immigration from an economic perspective - and is duly taken to task in the comments.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Andrea » 23 Nov 2013, 14:22

I came across this petition just now and thought it may be of interest to some of you: http://petitions.express.co.uk/Say-NO-to-new-EU-migrants

They already have over 42,000 signatures for their goal of 50,000.
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Damo » 27 Nov 2013, 19:33

What is the single most depressing aspect of this letter? Is it the idea of labelling eight-year-olds racists? Is it the moronic conflation of religion and ethnicity? Is it the ugly grammar ("As such our expectations are that all children in years 4 to 6 attend school on Wednesday…")? Is it the bullying tone? Is it the unconscionable choice of font? Is it that someone can write that way and yet hold a position of authority in a school?


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... qus_thread
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Nathan » 27 Nov 2013, 19:45

Thanks for that, Damo - I read the Daily Mail's article on that story, but I missed this one. Unfortunately for her, that headmistress included her e-mail address on the letter that went public, so it seems no small number of Telegraph readers have written to let her know what they think of her ideology;)
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Re: Public comments on multiculturalism and mass immigration

Postby Gavin » 27 Nov 2013, 19:58

Staffordshire again, I notice, and I can't resist saying Mrs Small(-minded)!

What are the bets she'll continue in her post? I think she will. After all, Joyce Thacker did.
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