Islam around the world

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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 26 Sep 2014, 20:10

To compound the fact that the US President recently praised Sheikh Abdallah Bin Bayyah (the latter having issued a fatwa calling for the death of US soldiers), there has been a beheading in Oklahoma.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 26 Sep 2014, 20:41

They're becoming quite frequent in the UK now, aren't they? I'm losing track of them. Lee Rigby, then there was one up north, then the woman beheaded in her garden not long ago. Then these out in Syria as well. One thing in common with all of them, of course.

I suppose there will be a lot more as war proceeds, but they'll lose their shock value. I think the west will have a conclusive confrontation with Islam and it may be beginning now. We have the technology, let's hope we have the will.

As for whether we should be deploying to Iraq rather than concentrating on cleaning out our own back yard, I'm not sure. There are a lot of factors in the matter. It's probably not a good thing for us (or, of course, the victims) to have these jihadis taking over entire countries in the Middle East. But the direct threat to us seems to come from within - the Muslims already here.

Loyal Muslims will be very angry about us attacking ISIL and if they wage attacks on us as a result they should be dealt with extremely harshly. In all, perhaps us fighting ISIL is good in these sense that it will help separate the wheat from the chaff - it'll better polarise matters and enable us to openly focus on our enemy: Muslims who seek to imitate Mohammed (this being, of course, a duty in Islam).
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Rigsby » 27 Sep 2014, 19:54

So we're at war with Iraq. Again. I really feel for the Iraqis, your average Iraqi.. like me and you, probably just wants to quietly get on with his life....they must be sick of the sight of us, the Americans, the religious nutcases rolling into town on Toyota pickup trucks, beheading anything that moves. Quite how the bombing campaign that is about to kick off will differentiate between ISIS and civilians nobody seems to be that interested in.

I doubt any good will come from this. We've already crossed the 'no troops on the ground' to 'special forces are on the ground'. At some point in the near future we'll be 'training the Iraqi army', and about a fortnight after that British Soldiers will be on the ground

Why on Earth do we keep doing this? At the risk of sounding like one of the David Icke tin foil hats, it does make you wonder if there is a hidden agenda at work.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Andrea » 02 Oct 2014, 08:41

And in France, French superstar (who has her head screwed on) Brigitte Bardot is in trouble again for being realistic about Islam: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7434193.stm
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 02 Oct 2014, 09:59

That appears to be quite an old article, but still good for Ms Bardot! A beautiful lady from before the age of feminism, apparently also possessed of intelligence and decent principles, which is certainly more than can be said of many feminists today.

It is utterly disgraceful that the court should prosecute her for simply speaking the truth, and I actually wonder whether they would dare do that now - we are much further down the road.

Oh, and for the men (and indeed women) viewing, a reminder of Ms Bardot!
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Elliott » 03 Oct 2014, 21:03

The fourth ISIS hostage, Alan Henning, a taxi driver from Salford who was in Syria delivering aid, has apparently been beheaded.

It's just becoming surreal now. If a Western man had been beheaded by Islamists 15 years ago, nobody would have known what to make of it. Now it is, quite literally, routine.

I just wonder how many more hostages ISIS have. How many more beheadings are we going to see? And are there still civilians stupid enough to go out there delivering aid?
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Rigsby » 03 Oct 2014, 21:31

Elliott,
I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to deliver aid. But I would not choose to do it in an Islamic or African country. That would be insane.

I watched this guys dad on the news tonight, filming an appeal for clemency. A bloke of about 80, literally on his last legs . Oxygen mask, the whole bit, and filmed in his hospital bed in his last hours/days begging for his son's life.

And they release the video a few hours after that.

You can't compare them with human beings because they are not.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Rigsby » 12 Oct 2014, 18:45

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... g-For-ISIS

Massive Islamic ideological punch-up in Hamburg. I haven't seen this reported anywhere in the UK media. Presumably because people might start thinking that this could happen here.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Nathan » 08 Dec 2014, 20:55

A group called Pegida has been established in Germany which holds regular protests against the spread of Islam in the country, claiming it is a threat to German and Western culture. It's been going a couple of months, but actually this is the first I've ever heard of it.

From what I can tell it goes to some length to show that it isn't associated with the typical far-right, or with any political party at all for that matter. Judging by this Die Welt article here the major political parties in Germany have wasted no time in condemning the group and calling it misinformed, driven by fear, "far-right", etc etc.

A lot of parallels with the EDL over here then, except that there doesn't seem to have been any violence at any of the protests, though unfortunately the founder of the group seems to have a lengthy criminal record of his own. Still, the article claims that 7500 people turned out for one protest in Dresden alone, much more than I remember at any EDL rally. It seems at least semi-respectable.

I find it fascinating and I'm sure it will continue to fascinate me how the groups opposing Islam across Europe all tend to have their own national flavour. Do you have any opinion on them, Yessica?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 09 Dec 2014, 07:56

I don't know much about them yet.

What I do know is that until now anti-immigration protest in Dresden have been quite Nazi (and also anti english) and that there have been clashes between right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists in the past which typically happen at the aniversary of the bombings.

The former chanting "Our grandfathers were heroes" and "hang the English for their crimes", the latter scanting "repeat the bombing" and carrying "We love Volkstod (genocide, death of the people)" banners.

The Pegida seems to have distanced themselves from those people. I am not so sure what the exact political opinions of the PEGIDA people are.
Like their name, which is an abbrevation for "Patriotic Westerners against the Islamisation of the Occident", says they are opposed to Islam.
I may be wrong but from what I heard they are mostly middle aged people which want things to be like they used to (which means in the case of Eastern Germany no Islam).
Their slogan "Wir sind das Volk", "We are the people" is one used by the opposition against socialism though... which is actually a bit odd, thinking that things were better in the old times but use the slogan of the ones who stopped that old times.
The name for the marches "Montagsdemonstration" comes also from the opposition against communism.

I don't know for sure why Dresden was chosen to start this movement. There are very few Muslims living there 0,4% according to what I heard... and actually that is one of the main Kritikpunkte. People say "what are they actually protesting for? Afraid that Muslims will be 0,5% of the Dresden population in future?" It might be the wrong place to protest Islamisation... on the other hand you can protest it there without being afraid of being attacked by islamic fanatics.

Dresden is known for right-wing marches and many are sceptical of the movement because they think there are associations, but like I said they have distanced themselves from that.

That is all I know about them so far.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 13 Dec 2014, 20:38

I tried to find out a little more about them... but there is much blabla, but not much info in the press. They seem to refuse to talk to reporters because they fear they will be portayed in a wrong light.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Nathan » 13 Dec 2014, 22:12

Hmm, thanks anyway. I'll try and do some research myself when I have time. I'm more interested in what kind of people are getting involved with them than what they actually believe in.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 13 Dec 2014, 23:12

According to what I heard they are Wende-Verlierer (people, who were better off in the old regime) and many of them are AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) voters... but then who are the AfD?

Ultraconservative gentry?
Fraternity boys?
Fire-and-Brimstone Christians?
Business people who want market liberalism?
Disappointed jobless people?
A mix of all those groups?

Hard to say. Also hard to say what the AfD actually really wants/what their political goals are.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 23 Dec 2014, 07:39

I will briefly say here, Happy Christmas to all visitors! I am not a believer, for rational reasons, but I appreciate our Christian heritage (fed up with hearing phrases like "Pakistani Heritage") and the more Muslims there are in the Europe the more important it seems to be to support the character of our nation which we so appreciate and which millions of men died to uphold.

I hope everybody has a great Christmas and that people realise there are countless more Christians being killed by the number one menace in the world - the religion of victimhood (Islam) - than vice versa. If nothing else this is a chance for a few days off work, some time with family and hopefully some time for quiet thought - a break.

No break in the chaos being waged by Muslims across the world though, it would seem. So many attacks now, everywhere, it is very hard to keep up. Think way back to the Glasgow Airport attack years ago - there have been so many since then. In France the jihad now seems to be daily against the French public. One wonders how long it will be until they begin mosque burnings there. The criminal Muslims indicate their stupidity by committing these attacks - all they have to do at current demographic rates is keep having chidren (paid for largely by European taxes) and wait while (thanks to feminism) the French barely reproduce themselves.

I bet they didn't think at the end of the Second World War that the next major conflict would be to free a semi-Islamised Europe, and that constituent countries would have invited and financed their predicament themselves. I am afraid the world has not been so unstable since the Cold War, what with North Korea and Russia as well, so this could be an eventful year.

Where there is a will there is a way. Islam has the will, we have the technical way but not the will. One can understand why Dalrymple routes our problems back to a malaise within the West, as does Mark Steyn in his excellent book After America. Hopefully we will rediscover that will, that sense of pride in our Judeo-Christian "heritage" and get onto a correction course soon, despite David Cameron's constant foreign aid and wish for Turkey to join the EU and us to remain under its control.

But for now, have a few days off. Good health to all - and if anyone is around London/Berkshire in the new year get in touch and we can meet up to put the world to rights in person!
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Nathan » 06 Jan 2015, 14:42

Good to see Pegida getting more and more high-profile every week. I just wonder where it is going though? With no real goal in mind I can see people getting a bit bored with going out on the streets every Monday and not really achieving anything.
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