Islam around the world

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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 06 Jan 2015, 17:07

Yes, they must be feeling really strongly about it over there. It’s not surprising that Germany should be particularly vulnerable to colonisation, given their past, but the ironic thing is that the ideology in question is very similar in many ways to Nazism.

Radio 4’s PM will be discussing the matter on the programme shortly. Don’t hold your breath waiting for them to mention the massive rise in gang rape of natives that has accompanied the forced immigration and cultural transformation. Wonder also what their stance would be if this were a country of predominantly dark skinned people being colonised with whites of a different culture, who were making no attempt to fit in.

I don't think the protestors will become bored. I can only see this increasing from here until they feel their culture is not being eradicated and replaced around them against their will. I would expect certain patriotic groups across Europe to be proscribed, in time, but ultimately that will not stop the resistance.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 06 Jan 2015, 21:03

Of course, the PM report earlier did not mention the rape wave across European countries nor the refusal of massive numbers of immigrants to assimilate into their chosen countries.

Speaking of Pegida, the reporter said: "They claim to oppose what they see as the Islamisation of the West”. "Claim"? Well, what else are they likely to be opposing?!

Re. the protests, it’s worth considering that many who oppose the Islamification will not be marching, because they will likely lose their jobs if they are seen to do so. I would therefore expect the actual numbers among the resistance to be much, much higher than the marches suggest.

Ms Merkel says the patriots have "hatred in their hearts" for loving the historic character of their homeland, but it is perfectly natural to want to maintain your way of life and your environment and these politicians themselves are surely the primary enemies of their own state for encouraging Islamic ideology to flourish in the land. It has hardly worked out very well anywhere else.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Andy JS » 07 Jan 2015, 12:57

Islamic terrorists have killed at least 12 people in Paris, at the headquarters of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, which has published cartoons of the prophet Muhammed.

The Daily Telegraph reports that the famous French cartoonists Cabu, Charb, Tignous and Wolinski have all been killed in the attack.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Mike » 07 Jan 2015, 13:09

I've been following the reaction to this on the Le Monde website. Now that's a fairly left-wing publication, not quite Guardianesque but in the New York Times ballpark. But look at some of the comments below (my rough translation):

I'll stay faithful to the presumption of innocence. But I'm finding it hard...really hard. When will this country FINALLY allow us to ask some questions frankly and open certain debates? And please stop with this "isolated and unbalanced acts", like at Jouey les Tours and other pleasantries...


Since these assassins shouted "Allahu Akbar", I patiently await the descent into the streets of all those inhabitants of France who also believe that "Allah is great and Mohammed is his prophet" to express their horror at the crimes that are committed in the name of their prophet and of the greatness of Allah. Their silence is starting to become deafening.


I get the feeling France is going to erupt pretty soon.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 07 Jan 2015, 13:13

Me too - but as will the whole of Europe. Look at the marches in Germany. So many attacks now. This comes only shortly after the assault on the Canadian parliament by a Muslim, of course.

I wonder if this will cause an "I am Spartacus" moment, or more cowardice and appeasement among journalists.

p.s. Google Translate could be useful at the moment.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Nathan » 07 Jan 2015, 13:15

Good God. I've heard about the shootout but it actually hadn't occurred to me that they would have sought out individual cartoonists individually. Seems so obvious when I think about it.

If I lived in or anywhere near Paris I would certainly be up for a Paris Pegida next Monday.

I'd thought about reading the Eric Zemmour book "Le Suicide Français" that's caused such a stir over there, but apparently it's 500 pages long and hard going so I can just imagine reading about ten pages and it then ending up untouched on my bookshelf. I do intend to order a copy of Michel Houellebecq's new book "Soumission" about an imagined Islamicised France in the near future though.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 07 Jan 2015, 13:36

Yes, the Suicide of France book looks to be well worth a look.

All Muslims in France should be perhaps at this point be forced to swear primary allegiance to France and not to fellow Muslims, or expelled to their ancestral homelands - as a first measure only.

It seems inevitable that the entire European continent will go into war with Islam before very long and that this may erupt into a world war, because (of course) Saudis and others will not approve of expulsion of Islam from Europe, especially when they have put so much money into funding the project.

Hollande says France is "shocked" by this attack, but I dare say only he is. What has shocked me, though, is that at my work almost everyone in the canteen was simply at tables as usual, chatting, eating, smiling, joking, while above them the TV screens played BBC news all about the attack. This was a few hundred people. What on earth will it take to make people wake up and stop thinking about themselves but about the bigger picture, the direction of society in which they live?!
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Mike » 07 Jan 2015, 13:37

Another quite revealing Le Monde comment, from a lady:

Twenty years ago, when I was working with these "youths from the projects", I would hear all day phrases like "one of these days, in France, you'll all be wearing the veil", or even "one day, we'll blow you up one by one if we need to." I talked frankly about my experiences to the politicians of the day (whose names I will not reveal here to avoid being censored). They clearly thought me ridiculous, in a "these are just kids having fun" way. etc. Too much of playing the ostrich...
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 10 Jan 2015, 09:05

I received an e-mail recently from a very long-term and close friend of the family, a French lady. We have known her so long that we call her an aunt, and she is a cultured and and intelligent lady, a real Anglophile. She speaks very good English, was an English teacher indeed, and is very well read in English literature.

Needless to say, she despairs about the state of her own country and what has been done to it by the socialist Left. (She must have been very outnumbered in the education system.) She mentioned among many things in the e-mail that she was out window shopping with her adopted daughter recently when a gang of Muslim youths spat at both of them. The lady is aged in her seventies now. This menace is not uncommon. See the Twitter feed for much news, including a video of recent rioting by Muslims in France.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 10 Jan 2015, 09:16

In addition to the above, I do not usually link to articles or videos by Jared Taylor. This is because there may be a connection between truth and expediency. In the case of the Islamic colonisation I believe it has become expedient to tell the truth. Just falling short of adding it to the Twitter for now, then, which always seems to be more "in the name of the forum", I will certainly link to an article here.

In another article at the site, the writer Gregory Hood makes the point that, in fact, free speech is very limited - and it seems hard to refute him on this point: there are of course certain groups whom Charlie Hebdo would not have criticised or ridiculed in cartoons.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Andy JS » 10 Jan 2015, 16:36

Sadly, I don't think this report will surprise many people:

Charlie Hebdo terror mentor's wife on benefits in Leicester

Exclusive: Sylvie Beghal, a French citizen, lives rent-free in a four-bedroom house in Leicester having arrived with her children in search of a more 'Islamic environment'
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Paul » 10 Jan 2015, 17:51

Good Lord, many levels of contrariness. It's like an onion - you peel away one layer and there's another underneath.

It has to be said that the cartoonists (from what I've read) were all lefties at heart and current satire notwithstanding, were only too eager to poke fun at conservative ideals, at the christian church and at various decent but dwindling mores of society. Indeed this has been pointed out as the 'excuse' they have for being able to additionally poke fun at Islam.

'Now look at what you've done'. 'Yes, but look at what we did earlier' - or 'Yes but look at what they did'. And then - 'But look at what they did before that'. And so on. Is that not an extremely poor argument? It's like children arguing in a playground.

On the other hand, and most tellingly, the cartoonists were also very much against free speech when it controverted their lefty ideals and have spoken out in support of proscribing the speech and actions of the French right.

Like a lot of 'free speech progressives', they only took that principle as far as their own ideology. Anything else was fair game for repression. And yet, in the mind-numbing confusion of lefty thought they won't have ever thought to call for repression of Muslim ideology. That would no doubt be racist. . What a tangled skein.

Maybe I've exaggerated there and their views and methods not quite as extreme as that. I'm going off what I'm reading, doing the rounds on blogs and forums and the bits of MS news one feels able to trust a little.

Of course, all the usual caveats, blah, blah, blah. One mustn't disagree with 'free speech' and satire and it is ok (if that's what people want to do) to poke fun at Christians and right-wingers and so on. Broadly speaking yes, although free speech is a hot potato. Should one really be allowed to speak in favour, or in denigration, of absolutely anything? Has not the endless fun-poking of civilised behaviour led us to the low moral and cultural point at which we find ourselves? Should people be allowed to satirise the most ghastly or dangerous of subjects?

But in this case it's 'only' religion and only cartoons, so yes, the whole business is outrageous. As is murdering anyone for any similar reason, for satire alone.

In this case where the satirists have decided to also 'target' Islam, it's probably because they were also broadly 'out of control' with their foolishness (cartoons are based upon frivolous foolishness are they not?), were irreverent and maybe somewhat debased in a general atheistic, lefty sense and considered themselves inviolate from real harm. They were no doubt self-congratulatory and smug in their 'edginess'. Again, it doesn't mean they should be killed, or physically harmed in any way. But if they were smug lefties, quite intolerant in their own way - they should have been dis-empowered years ago?

One can but marvel at the law of unintended consequences.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 11 Jan 2015, 14:26

So a member of the Conservative party says today:

The lazy answer from people out there is to say that this had got nothing whatsoever to do with Islam and Muslims…


Well, at least the legacy parties are willing to admit it, one could say, but I wonder if Mr Javid had the Prime Minister in mind when he said that. I doubt it…

He continues:

…they [Muslims] are taking a great religion, a peaceful religion of a billion people around the world


And with that, Mr Javid manages to cancel out his previous admission.

Is this, then, the new legacy party line? That, yes, all these attacks do have something to do with Islam, but that the religion is still, somehow, “a peaceful” one?

Is this just cognitive dissonance or a weak attempt to silence those who keep wanting to point out that the post-war, baby-boomer elite's "progressive" ideals are on their deathbed?
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Jonathan » 11 Jan 2015, 23:10

It looks like the efforts of a person who chooses his sound-bites according to the emotions they will evoke, rather than the truth of his words.

But look on the bright side - the fact is that an average Joe MP has dimly perceived that saying "this has nothing to do with Islam" may evoke impatient contempt rather than poignant nodding. This may be taken as a sign of progress!
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 17 Jan 2015, 19:55

Gavin wrote:A gang of Muslim youths spat at both of them.


I had Muslims (or people who looked like it) spit before my feet quite often and beginning to think that's just what they do. They just spit where they are no matter if someone else is there or no.
I am not sure if they even realize that it is offensive. I don't want to defend that behaviour and hope that you understand what I mean.
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