Islam around the world

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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 17 Jan 2015, 20:02

Related: Today I was waiting in a bakery and there was a gentleman behind me who was actually quite umkempt and had bad breath. I think he was from the middle east. He looked like it. I had however ethnic Germans done the same - but not very often. He came closer and closer until I could feel his breath and smell it.

I think it is creepy to force yourself on a person like that. I thought about turning around and tell him to brush his teeth and of course I did not do it because it wouldn't be polite.

I think that middle eastern people have other ideas about "personal space" than Europeans. They should however learn about ours.

Feeling like a square for writing that. Am I?
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Paul » 18 Jan 2015, 11:18

Not really square Yessica.

Besides, a women should get more personal space, for all the obvious reasons, at least here in the West.

And yet of course, that's not to say that women in the East (certain parts of the East) don't get personal space in their society. Lots of it! In certain societies you wouldn't be allowed to go to the bakery alone. You would be locked up at home - plenty of space there.

Thinking of how many countries have a population density far greater than we are used to, this may be a factor regarding personal space. It's not hard to recall visions of huge throngs of people, all jostling together, packed tight (or tighter) in some parts of the world.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 22 Jan 2015, 15:59

Not really square, but... ? What? ;)

Paul wrote:And yet of course, that's not to say that women in the East (certain parts of the East) don't get personal space in their society. Lots of it! In certain societies you wouldn't be allowed to go to the bakery alone. You would be locked up at home - plenty of space there.


Funny because it is true.

Would it be okay to educate people about this?
To tell them "I have some information about our culture you might wish to know because it will help you with transistion/get settled. In our country we don't spit in front of other people and we have a personal space bubble which is ... centimeters." Would this be offensive or helpful?

When I travel I like to have some information about the culture of the country.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Yessica » 30 Jan 2015, 18:02

I am not sure if you are familiar with the German carnival. According to our tradition "Im Karneval ist alles erlaubt" "Everything is allowed when it is carnival". That means it is allowed to ridicule everything including the church, including the Kaiser when there still was one, including cutting other people neck-ties and so on.

Now plans to build a Charlie Hebdo inspired float have been dropped out of fear for the safety of the carnival revelers.
It did not depict Mohammed - just an Islamist and a reveler as far as I know.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/2 ... 0120150129
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Paul » 30 Jan 2015, 18:37

Yessica said

Would it be okay to educate people about this?
To tell them "I have some information about our culture you might wish to know because it will help you with transistion/get settled. In our country we don't spit in front of other people and we have a personal space bubble which is ... centimeters." Would this be offensive or helpful?


I wouldn't try that in the UK. If you were to say to an 'outsider' that they might need to learn about our culture here in Britain, there's a good chance you would be deemed 'offensive' and probably 'racist' and thereby open to the possibility of being prosecuted (for a crime) by the authorities. I'm not joking.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 11 Feb 2015, 22:23

Tens of thousands of Christians have been killed by Muslims in Africa and the Middle East and mass rape is being committed by Muslims in Europe alongside a daily global jihad as our countries are steadily taken over against native will by an alien, backward culture. This is all consistent with the example and teachings of the founder of the Islamic religion, Muhammed, who was a warlord and probable schizophrenic who had sex with a child.

But now apparently an atheist (gasp!) has killed three Muslims in the USA. His murders have been immediately and loudly connected with his atheism by the media even though atheism dictates no such behaviour. Not only this but still Muslims have been saying this is an incredible atrocity and not enough has been made of it. Funny, they didn't say that about the 1,400 raped and they don't say that about the constant daily murders in the name of Muhammed.

We don't even know if these Muslims were killed because they were Muslims yet (or indeed because the man was an atheist), but we sure know what the ideology of Islam looks like across the whole world and it is something we should continue to reject (non-violently) and surely have the right and even the duty to reject in the Western countries we and our ancestors have made.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 15 Feb 2015, 11:49

Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt said:
Denmark has been hit by terror. We do not know the motive... but we know that there are forces that want to hurt us...


Two out of three, I guess.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 03 Apr 2015, 15:20

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I'm currently in Venice. It's a truly beautiful city, so much so that I cannot help but contrast it with what we have at home in the UK. The hideous grey brutalism that has been imposed on many British towns is the diametric opposite of the beauty that is to be found here.

Venice seems to be, along with Monaco, one of the playgrounds of the rich and beautiful, though other people come here too. Almost the only Africans who live here seem to illegal street traders: they pester people, trying to sell either useless lights, "selfie sticks", or fake handbags. I'm not sure how they got here but there are not many of them.

I like a curry, but am not particularly interested in having one here. I have not seen any Pakistanis or Bangladeshis - none at all - and no Indian restaurants as yet. I have seen few Arabs and Muslims - mostly Americans (sometimes ignorant) and Europeans. Few Brits, though these are easily spotted by their dismal and child-like dress code. Plenty of Italians themselves - readily identified by the men wearing stylish suits (really) and the women looking chic.

What has been most striking socially is that all of the staff of hotels and other establishments in this Italian city have been... Italian. As they should be - as one would expect. Venice is a jewel in the Italian crown and they ought to be able to own and staff their own city - it is much nicer for tourists too, to actually see Italians in Italy of course.

Good luck to anyone trying to meet a single English person in this sector in London. You will meet everyone but the English. And, it must be said, if you do meet an English person in the service sector, they're likely to be surly and rude.

So I am surrounded here by high Italian culture. They must have their slums, elsewhere, but when you behold Venice, you think to yourself: it would be a crime if any other people were to come here in their thousands and to impose their own, backward, culture instead. It would be totally unacceptable. When you see a place like Venice, you are reminded of what a disgrace it has been that Muslims have been allowed to colonised large areas of the West, because what we are seeing there is actually nothing less than un-mandated cultural transformation and destruction. That is just wrong.

Every people and culture is entitled to its language and identity, established over thousands of years. Visiting Venice only strengthens my view that Muslims must be entirely removed from the West.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Gavin » 24 Nov 2015, 09:54

In this video Robert Spencer amply qualifies himself as a university lecturer: he's clear, he makes close reference to the text, he's even amusing. But there's a reason why he could never a lecture at any secular American university: he's not politically correct. He insists on telling the truth and on detailing Islam warts at all.

Mr Spencer explains the foundation offered by the Qur'an for ISIS' behaviour. This makes very interesting listening (he has been been banned from the UK). As he reads certain passages from the Qur'an I was reminded how I have seen these come true in British society. According to Islam, Muslims are superior to non-believers and the latter should always be in subordinate positions. In the north of England I was surprised to see a middle-aged English man being employed in an Pakistani or Bangladeshi takeaway: he was their delivery driver. He sat quietly most of the time until given instruction as where to go. He will be unlikely to be allowed to play any part in the running of that company.

Women are usually not employed in Muslim takeaways (they are not seen) but when they are, one has the distinct impression that if some jovial English guy were to strike up a conversation with one of them and ask them out, well... let's just say the Muslim men don't look very cheery in the first place, and this is outlawed by the Qur'an: a Muslim man is encouraged to take infidel women as wives (slave-wives) but it is forbidden for Muslim women to marry non-Muslims. Do you hear the outcry from the Left about this gross racism? [Tumbleweed] Or about the workplace sexism or about the racism in the balance of staff there? Nope, of course not.

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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 27 Nov 2015, 22:15

If you haven't already, you may want to read Anatoly Karlin's latest piece over at the Unz Review, which features a pretty sobering look at the "World Map of Muslim Support of the Death Penalty for Apostasy."
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 03 Dec 2015, 15:20

This, apparently, was Syed Farook's dating profile:

religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends.


Only an Islamophobe would draw harsh conclusions from that, though.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Jonathan » 07 Dec 2015, 22:38

I keep seeing various opinion polls of muslims, quoting from anything from 5% to 15% of them as expressing radical views.

This is usually interpreted as follows: Within a large and peaceful majority, there is a small X% of radicals. These radicals are substantially different from the others. The magnitude of this X% is a topic of considerable debate.
A: Could the polls be wrong, and it's actually just 0.8%?
B: Yes, but even 0.8% of a million is quite a lot of people.
A: You can't condemn a peaceful majority because of a few radicals.
etc.

This X% has undergone a mysterious process of 'radicalization', which produces dangerous Jihadis out of peaceful, law-abiding individuals. The nature of this process is also a topic of considerable debate.
A: It's because of the overthrow of Saddam/the non-overthrow of Assad/the bombing of Libya/the non-bombing of ISIS.
B: It's because of Islamophobia in Europe.
C: It's because they have no jobs, they're desperate, hungry, unemployed.
etc.

I sometimes wonder what part of that X% consistently returns radical answers. This is a question never asked by analysts. It is always assumed that the questions reveal some deep, not easily changed facet of the character of the person being interviewed. It never occurs to them that the person might be conflicted, holding both Western values and Islamic values, and the answers they give the pollster are determined by whichever one happens to be uppermost in his mind at that moment. If you could interview the same people, you might find that the 1,000 radicals from today's poll and the 1,000 radicals from tomorrow's have only 100 people in common.

Thus you might have:
2% Permanent radicals - these organize, preach, conduct training and conversions.
49% Permanent moderates - people who strongly reject violent Jihad, either by upbringing, character, experience or circumstances. There are, of course, plenty of muslims who are timid and slothful - or have suffered violence themselves at the hand of Jihadis and therefore rejected it - or who have completely embraced western values - or are simply too honest, hardworking and successful to pay any attention to Jihadis (but be wary of their children).
49% Conflicted. About 20% of these (=10% of the total) will at any given time return radical answers to a pollster's questions. They exist on a continuum, of course, from the one whose family members say 'oh, he was gravitating towards extremists for a year' to the one whose family members say 'we had no idea he would pull out a gun, he always was so gentle'. Of course, current events and personal circumstances will affect their views on a day-to-day basis.

I've seen a few things which suggest this view may be closer to the truth. Palestinians will often express very moderate views, and espouse crazy conspiracy theories at the same time. Mark Seager's account of the Ramallah lynching in 2000 describes how the kind, hospitable People he had known suddenly transformed into a murderous mob. These were not self-selected extremists, but people who happened to be in the area at the time. And then there is the recent spate of stabbings over the last three months. The most unlikely people suddenly pull out a knife and stab passers-by, knowing full well they will be killed. Not just losers, or known radicals, but fathers with children, teenagers, teenage girls.

The left-wing Israeli media provides no explanation. The right-wing Israeli media cites copious Palestinian incitement and propaganda, mainly on social networks. But surely, one cannot speak of a process of radicalization. What you have is a large-scale tendency towards radicalism (read: Jihad), usually dormant, but easily roused. I suspect it has deep roots in religious and cultural factors.

The consequences are significant. Instead of arguing whether the radicals are 2% or 8%, the truth may be that they have a very large reserve to draw on. Perhaps only 2% will answer the siren call of Jihad today, but when conflict comes, the reserves will come into play, and you will find that how ever many times you deport or kill the 2% radicals, there's always another 2% to replace them.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 23 Apr 2016, 15:34

I just thought I'd stick this great article/editorial here: The Pernicious Myth Of The Oppressed European Muslim.

There are some staggering percentages in there, yet I doubt than anyone here will be surprised by them.
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Danny » 12 May 2016, 16:00

“A group of bar owners from a Copenhagen suburb claim they are being harassed by local Muslim youth activists from immigrant backgrounds attempting to impose a 'Sharia zone', and have appealed to the government for help.”

Copenhagen bar owners call government to tackle Sharia patrols

Of course, Sharia law enshrines racketeering of this kind – under Islamic law Christians and Jews are permitted to manufacture and distribute alcohol provided they are forthcoming with jizya money.

"They shouted that the site belongs to them and that Norrebro is a Sharia zone, so there is no drinking alcohol."
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Re: Islam around the world

Postby Charlie » 27 Jul 2016, 22:14

Pornography and the Prophet: so it turns out that some of the biggest "consumers" of degenerate Western pornographic material are degenerate Muslims.
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