Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Gavin » 05 Nov 2013, 01:55

Right, so they're not supposed to apart and they're not supposed to be together either. Ridiculous. How can The Guardian print such rubbish? It's become a joke.

I have mentioned many times on here that while the Left are obsessed with the alleged and largely imaginary racism of indigenous people of the UK, actually it is the Muslims who often disown and sometimes murder their women if they ever get involved with a western man. The man doesn't come off too well either.

We all just know it is a no go area. It's not a problem if a Muslim man gets involved with an indigenous girl though, of course - that's to be celebrated - even better if she converts. Shame this often occurs in the capacity of child grooming - better to just quietly ignore that.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Andreas » 06 Nov 2013, 18:26

This advertisement and the annoyed reaction by the Iraqi woman in The Guardian are interesting. Ms. Machi might be revealing more than she intended to.

She's dishonest in a number of her points. She complains that the image of the woman is stereotypical, not truly representative of all Muslim women. OK, true enough. But then she goes on to stereotype the man. Because he's wearing a soldier's uniform (presumably a U.S. soldier), this can of course only mean that he's a brutal, savage murderer-rapist-thug. For her, this man cannot be an individual with personal faults and merits, but must be "a man who represents an institution responsible for the terror and agony of many Muslims in the world." All right, once again, we can acknowledge that some members of the U.S. military have done bad things in Muslim countries, killed innocent people, committed atrocities, etc. We can agree that this was morally wrong and shouldn't have happened. But are the U.S. military (and other Western military forces) the only people responsible for "the terror and agony of many Muslims in the world"? What about the violence Muslims inflict on each other? Sunnis and Shias? The Syrian civil war? To quote Ms. Machi herself, "Let's have a little reality check here."

I think she's also dishonest in what she's not saying. What is it that really bothers her so much about this image? Perhaps she realizes that many Westerners will chuckle at this advertisement, or respond positively, identifying the image as a Romeo and Juliet situation, with the thought "isn't it nice when love triumphs over official or traditional enmities." It's strange to charge the company with racism -- after all, aren't racists usually the ones who are against people marrying outside their own race or ethnicity? I think what really annoys or maybe even threatens Ms. Machi is the idea that a Muslim woman might fall in love with a Western man, even a soldier or military man. This may be a frightening thought to Muslim supremacists who are trying to use Western liberalism and the open nature of Western society against the West. Ms. Machi may have unwittingly revealed an Achilles' heel here.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Elliott » 07 Nov 2013, 10:10

Those are very good points, Andreas. She doesn't want Muslims "stereotyped" as burka-wearers (even though, the more extreme Islam gets, the more it insists on women wearing some form of restrictive headwear) but she's happy to tar all American soldiers with the "brutish thug" stereotype.

I was relieved that most of the comments from Guardianistas were against the article.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Nathan » 28 Jan 2014, 22:56

It's refreshing to see that it isn't just British or English-language newspapers who abuse the "racist" card to a lunatic degree and then quickly shut down the comments section when its online readers tear its articles to pieces.

This article in the German newspaper Die Welt about the changing demographics in the United States presents the topic entirely in the context of white American racism of the past, and when comparing the predicted 2043 tipping point when white Americans become the minority to the situation in Europe, claims that that nightmare of European "racists" (i.e. anybody who doesn't want to become the minority in their own ancestral homeland) is hundreds of years away.

The article's argument is entirely simplistic, and even worse than what you'd get in the Guardian: any white person who doesn't want to become marginalised in his or her country is racist. Thankfully though, most European whites don't vote for anti-immigration parties that might actually have their best interests at heart, but instead for "democratic" ones.

Back in America, "white racism" (the article makes no attempt at explaining what they mean - I take it to mean just not wanting to become marginalised in their own country) is borne out of fear, more hysteria than paranoia. Non-racists, though, of course should have no fear of this trend towards a more colourful population.

The article does at least concede that demographic change will bring with it some political ramifications - the Republican Party are going to die, yay!!!!!!
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Elliott » 29 Jan 2014, 18:55

I can't read German, but it's probably just as well because the article sounds absolutely infuriating. What I would be very interested in knowing, though, if anyone does understand German, is what kind of reaction the article got from its commenters. I see there are only 14 comments, at least 14 that haven't been deleted. Are these comments anti-"white replacement" or are their writers under the PC boot and claiming to be happy about being dispossessed?
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Nathan » 29 Jan 2014, 20:06

I thought you'd be able to use Google Translate? It comes out a bit garbled and only translates the article and not the comments, but you will still be able to get the gist of it.

There were 24 comments when I had a look yesterday!

Two of them focus on white Americans' historical treatment of the native Americans, one of them sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense, and all the others (the best-rated ones) would fit in well on this site. I'll translate the first two for you:

"Europas Überfremdungsängste werden in Amerika nur müde belächelt."
Bestimmt nicht von der weissen Minderheit.

"Europeans' fear of being swamped by foreigners will be looked on by Americans with nothing more than a tired yawn."

Certainly not by the white minority.


Schmelztiegel eher Parallelgesellschaften.

Parallelgesellschaften zerstören jedes Sozialsystem, da die Leute keine gemeinsame Identität haben.

More like parallel societies than a melting pot.

Parallel societies destroy any kind of social system, because people have no common identity.


Yessica, how is Die Welt regarded in Germany? I think the last time I read it it was congratulating the EU on coming top of the Olympics medals table (no mention of the slight advantage of being able to send out 25+ separate teams!).
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Gavin » 29 Jan 2014, 20:48

Have you guys heard this phrase which is sometimes posted on comments pages?

"Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, white countries for everybody."
- Probable source


I suppose we ought to deal with this some time. I think it is true that if African cities somehow became majority white, with many there building their own communities, voting for white people and collecting benefits, white liberals would be up in arms about it. Of course, in the parallel world Africans would never allow this to happen though.


In my taxi on the way home today the driver asked me where I am from. He had a heavy Indian accent and was listening to a British Asian radio station (all of the drivers are Indian). It was a mix of superficial, inane banter, like any of our stations, combined with the music of other countries. I told him the name of my home town and that I had also spent fifteen years in London (before it began to feel like a mish-mash of third world cultures). It struck me that we usually don't return the question to immigrants, out of politeness, but I was curious how he would answer - whether he would say "Pakistan" or some town in the UK - so I said "How about you?".

He paused and then said he had spent eight years in London but had been in the Midlands for 22 years. He clearly still identified mainly with Pakistan, though. I asked the same question of a Nigerian colleague (who is turns out is sympathetic towards socialism) and he explained that he is only in the UK for economic reasons and identifies principally with Nigeria. He said his children, born here, however, identify principally with the UK.

Excuse me for putting all this in one thread, but I don't have time to start numerous topics and it might as well go here. Another thing I have been thinking about is the meaning of the word "English". "England for the English". It is an surely an ethnicity. An immigrant may, I guess, consider themselves British (by passport), but they will never consider themselves English, just as it would be absurd for an Englishman in Africa to consider himself African. Borders have become very blurred. A wonderful thing, the Left believe. Perhaps - providing values are shared, benefits not granted, and assimilation runs in the direction of newcomer to host. But again the Left would never have this happen the other way around: they would call it colonisation.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Andreas » 29 Jan 2014, 21:04

Kein Zweifel: Die Vereinigten Staaten sind in ihrer Vergangenheit ein extrem rassistisches Land gewesen. Zur Zeit läuft in den amerikanischen Kinos "12 Years A Slave", ein Film über die wahre Geschichte eines schwarzen Mannes aus den Nordstaaten, der im 19. Jahrhundert in den Süden verschleppt und dort als Sklave verkauft wurde.

Dieser Film ist erschütternd, aufwühlend, streckenweise beinahe nicht zu ertragen; bei den Bildern der Misshandlungen auf den Plantagen ist es schwer, nicht an den Archipel Gulag zu denken.

Aber der amerikanische Rassismus richtete sich nicht nur gegen Schwarze, sondern auch gegen amerikanische Ureinwohner, Mexikaner, Chinesen, Deutsche, Iren, Italiener, Ostjuden; beinahe jede Einwanderungswelle in die Vereinigten Staaten wurde von einer fremdenfeindlichen Stimmung begleitet.

Genauer gesagt: Die fremdenfeindliche Stimmung kam paradoxerweise immer just dann auf, wenn die jeweilige Einwanderungswelle vorüber war. Über "illegale Immigranten" etwa wird in Amerika zu einem Zeitpunkt gestritten, da im statistischen Durchschnitt mehr Mexikaner in ihr Heimatland zurückkehren, als über den Rio Grande hereinströmen.



There's no doubt about it: in the past the U.S. was an extremely racist country. Right now American cinemas are showing "12 Years A Slave", a film about the true story of a black man from the Northern states who was kidnapped to the South in the 19th century and sold as a slave there.

This film is distressing, roiling, and hard to take at times; it's hard not to think of the Gulag Archipelago when seeing the scenes of abuse on the plantations.

But American racism was not just directed against blacks, but also against Native Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, Germans, Irish, Italians, and Jews from Eastern Europe; almost every wave of immigration to the United States was accompanied by a mood of xenophobia.

More precisely: the xenophobic mood always arose paradoxically right at the moment when a particular wave of immigration was over. There are arguments about "illegal immigration" in America at a time when statistically, more Mexicans are returning home than streaming in over the Rio Grande.


This is really the pot calling the kettle black (perhaps that metaphor is inappropriate!). Yes, many bad things have happened in the history of the United States, but do the Europeans have any moral high ground to shake a finger at bad racist America? Has the history of Europe (and its colonies) been peace, love, and harmony?
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Nathan » 29 Jan 2014, 21:15

Andreas: If some of our own predictions on here are anything to go by, it will be interesting to tally up race-relations scores after 300 years of a multi-racial Europe:p
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Yessica » 03 Feb 2014, 11:59

Nathan wrote:Yessica, how is Die Welt regarded in Germany? I think the last time I read it it was congratulating the EU on coming top of the Olympics medals table (no mention of the slight advantage of being able to send out 25+ separate teams!).


Sorry. I took me a while to answer.

Die Welt was founded by the Allies after WWII in order to de-nazify Germany as far as I know. It now belongs to the Axel Springer AG, which is said to be pro economy. Springerpresse is a buzzword leftist often use when they are talking about an article which they think is only pro economy and not pro common good.

Different people write for them and they have different viewpoints, but I heard that they typically are in favour of the kind of immigration which is good for the economy and opposed to the kind they believe to be bad for the economy. I don't really know that much about them.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Yessica » 04 Feb 2014, 09:05

Andreas wrote:This is really the pot calling the kettle black (perhaps that metaphor is inappropriate!). Yes, many bad things have happened in the history of the United States, but do the Europeans have any moral high ground to shake a finger at bad racist America? Has the history of Europe (and its colonies) been peace, love, and harmony?


Has there ever been a country anywhere the history of which has been peace love and harmony???
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Yessica » 04 Feb 2014, 09:10

Nathan wrote:Thankfully though, most European whites don't vote for anti-immigration parties that might actually have their best interests at heart, but instead for "democratic" ones.


I understand you are being sarcastic here, but I really do not know whom to vote for. I do not wish for an unrestricted immigration from countries too different from ours, yet there really is no democratic party that seems to share my concerns.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Nathan » 10 Apr 2014, 19:23

The racism card is now being used against swans...in the Telegraph, no less, which used to be a proper newspaper!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... dents.html
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby Gavin » 11 Apr 2014, 08:14

Good spot. Could it possibly be that the swans accused of attacking predominantly foreign people are doing so because it is predominantly foreign people in the area?

On a further more serious point, could it be that the birds really do notice that the people around them are different to those they have been used to for thousands of years? Possibly - who knows?

Or perhaps - most likely - it is just another fuss about nothing. False claims of victimisation and trumped up charges. This time even against our wildlife! Perhaps they were running short of people to accuse - really scraping the barrel now.
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Re: Gratuitous uses of the word "racist"

Postby FormerUser » 18 Apr 2014, 09:04

Gavin wrote:Have you guys heard this phrase which is sometimes posted on comments pages?

"Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, white countries for everybody."
- Probable source


Yes, it's one of Bob Whitaker's Mantra memes. Others include:

"anti-racist is code for anti-White"
"nobody insists on Japan becoming non-Japanese even though it is wealthy, has a low birth rate, and a history of colonialism"
"racist is a Hate word"

I think these memes have emerged in the past few months and years as an effective counter-attack to to the usual 'racism' accusation. You don't need a high IQ or extensive knowledge to understand the Golden Rule, and when it is being violated.

I referenced this change of strategy elsewhere, but counter-productively, and again, I apologize for my contributions to threads being derailed. I edited those posts, and these posts will be my last on the forum. Thanks again Gavin for maintaining the forum.

Here is a user-friendly, albeit outdated, site of accumulated talking points and rebuttals.
http://bugsbuddy.co.nf/

Whitaker's site has a forum where debating strategies are discussed and refined.

I think the goal is to get these memes into the wider culture and demonstrate to the middle and working classes how to debate effectively. Eventually, someone influential will see a growing voting bloc and a proven winning argument and decide to run with it publicly, confident in the expected replies and rebuttals because others have already laid out the formula.

I also want to add that Whitaker's talking points are not linked to a formal organization or cause or movement. The ideas are all that matters, and you can agree with the ideas without having to associate or identify with anything distasteful or counterproductive.
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