Pope Francis (and I am rambling about capitalism)

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Pope Francis (and I am rambling about capitalism)

Postby Yessica » 14 Jun 2014, 06:43

As someone who is not Catholic I am not too interested in the Pope. In addition I have never been a fan of former Popes for numerous reasons, for example because I always thought that their policy of condeming condomns in aids-ridden countries costs human lifes.

As someone who is not too informed (keep that in mind) I see a big difference between this Pope and the others. The others told believers what to do and not what to do. If the former Pope told people not to use condoms one did not have to listen.
The new Pope however seems to meddle with politics telling everybody what to do. Yesterday I heard on the news that he had called capitalism "tyranny" and said it was the cause of wars and poverty.

I find this a bit rich if one considers the facts a) how much wars and poverty misguided religious zealots have caused and still are causing and b) that the garments which the Pope is wearing must have costs enough to feed three African villages for a month - not to speak of the catholic churche's riches.

The idea of capitalism sounds bad, egoism is the driving force behind it. Socialism sounds much nicer.
Yet capitalism has lifted millions out of poverty - socialism, however nice it might sound as an idea, has utterly failed to do that. I cannot think of a single socialist country that does/did not know at least scarcity of certain foods - if not hunger.
It is also worth noticing that the charity of the church might have individuals but it has not served make the Christian African countries rich. The non-christian East Asian countries on the other hand went from poverty to riches within one generation.

The benefit of capitalism to my mind is that is sees humans how they are - as partly egoistic.

I also see some problems which capitalism. It is ultimately a shallow substitute for something deeper to my mind. What are young people of today told to aspire? Becoming a better human being, raising a happy family, delighting the world with their art, serving their country, their fellow human being, their God? No, a new BMW and you have got made it.

Yesterday a study was discussed which came to the conclusion that 60 percent of young Turkish women in Germany did not learn a trade. This is a problem to my mind as a woman should have the chance to learn a trade. The discussion however soon became a worship of capitalism. Well meaning leftist were telling us we as German society were holding Turkish girls back. That Turkish girls or their parents might have made other choices seems beyond them.

I think it is funny how "capitalists" and "anti capitalists left" those days seem to agree that everybody one those earth wants to have a high paying job and a BMW and just those two things and nothing else - and if anybody ever wants something else he or she must have been brainwashed and is to pity.

The riches the capitalist economy generates should give as the opportunity to focus on the things we think are important. Yet public opinion tells us what should be important to us, the career and the money.
Loot at the ridicule a person receives if he or she admits in public he wants to make God the center of his life - especially if the God is not Allah.

Capitalism puts us in the odd situation in which we might aspire anything but are afraid to aspire non-material things because people would think we are foolish or just not able to be a financial success.

Capitalism might also be self-destructive because in most capitalist countries fertility rates fall below the replacement levels and they are the lowest in the classes most involved in the capitalist economy.
The meek, poor and religious might inherit the earth one day, because they have bigger families. I don't say that this must be necessarily a good thing to happen - just a likely thing to happen.
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Re: Pope Francis (and I am rambling about capitalism)

Postby Elliott » 14 Jun 2014, 19:59

That's a good post, Yessica.

Pope Francis appears to be really popular with leftists and liberals. I have some (really) liberal friends on Facebook who often share news articles about him - what he's said about loving gay people, about capitalism, etc.

A Pope talking like that? We truly live in strange times.

However, despite capitalism raising people out of poverty, it is undoubtedly true that it is also behind a lot of exploitation and corruption. I don't have a solution. There probably isn't one. I think there is a lot of tension, though, and people will need to express it somehow at some point.
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Re: Pope Francis (and I am rambling about capitalism)

Postby Yessica » 14 Jun 2014, 21:51

Elliott wrote:However, despite capitalism raising people out of poverty, it is undoubtedly true that it is also behind a lot of exploitation and corruption. I don't have a solution. There probably isn't one. I think there is a lot of tension, though, and people will need to express it somehow at some point.


Good addition. That is obviously true... but than exploition and corruption is also prevalent in alternative systems... much more prevalent to my mind.

Like you I do not know a solution.
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