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Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 09 Jan 2014, 23:36
by Nathan
I suppose they went on about how the Duggan inquiry verdict was racist then? Funnily enough, the last time I deliberately sat down to watch Question Time was just after the riots. If I remember rightly, some woman from the audience said that the whole thing was a set-up designed to demonise the working class - a man also in the audience shouted out "Rubbish!", so they must have had at least one non-Socialist Daily Worker reader in the audience, but I turned off at that point because I just thought it wasn't worth watching any more.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 09 Jan 2014, 23:45
by Gavin
By the way, further to my previous post, I completely concurred with this comment on the DT:

Dacorum wrote:I see that we are allowed to comment on this topic but not on the verdict in the Duggan inquest.

The Jury's decision was spot on in my opinion. Duggan was a real threat and I see no reason why the police should take chances in arresting a villain that they correctly believed was armed. Any criminal finding himself in a similar situation had better put their hands on their head immediately!

Most of the gun crimes in London are black on black and here we have the police removing one dangerous criminal but the criminal community from which he sprung took the opportunity to riot. My deep regret is that the police took so long to react to quell the riots: they should have armed the police and used lethal force so that even 4 policemen outnumbered by 200 rioters would have been in a position to stop the rioting immediately instead of having to run away.

This is increasingly the only place you can see reason.

Yes, the audience - apparently full of white liberals and black racists - were criticising the police and not a mention was made by them of Duggan having been a convicted armed criminal thug. Even Paul Nuttall from UKIP was regretful about it all. Only Nadine Dorries tried to put some sound points.

Then they spoke about mass immigration and saw no problems with that either, neither economic nor social. I do not know where they find enough of these people to fill their studio. They are pretty thick though, it is clear. They usually do not even know who the panelists are and cannot structure concise questions. Most of the panel only answer with PC platitudes anyway. It's back to the Telegraph for me. And here, of course! ;)

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 10 Jan 2014, 10:02
by Charlie
I caught a bit of that on the radio last night - it was utterly dismal!

However, it made me think about this thread. This year may give us more of an idea about the answer to that question.

Nevertheless, I think the UK is mostly “the Guardian class”, to use Elliott’s terms. However, I hope to be proven wrong….

Edit: Brendan O'Neill's latest piece seems to confirm my beliefs...(they certainly make a lot of noise)

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 11 Jan 2014, 13:56
by Gavin
I always think Pat Condell's initials are slightly unfortunate given his excellent videos, but policeman Bernard Hogan-Howe brings a new irony to the initials "PC" when he describes the response of the Duggan family (disjointed though that seems to be) as "dignified". He knows it wasn't dignified at all. It was angry and threatening. They repeatedly called Mr Duggan's death an "execution" and seemed to issue veiled threats. John Humphrys had to extract a condemnation of violence from the aunt during a radio interview I heard, it certainly wasn't readily forthcoming. Indeed, prior to his moderate success my impression was that the family would quite like to see more rioting in response to this independent jury verdict, since it would draw further attention to their case.

At least the police seem to be ready this time, but whether they will have the confidence to so much as touch rioters and looters (especially if they are black) remains to be seen.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 11 Jan 2014, 14:07
by Nathan
The Guardian seems to be justifying any further riots that happen as well, letting Al Sharpton on to write an article with this phrase in the title:

"No justice, no peace"

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 11 Jan 2014, 15:18
by Gavin
Yes, lots of good top rated comments under that one (even on the Guardian) contradicting the article, e.g.:

I live in Tottenham, I'd quite like peace please, especially as there has been justice.

It's such an immoral newspaper, the platform it gives to racists and extremists, and always sympathising with criminals. It seems to be falling out of favour even with its remaining visitors now, though. I know a lot of commenters at The Telegraph used to comment there but they were banned.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 19 Jan 2015, 11:56
by Gavin
There were a number of riots in the UK in 1981, including the Moss Side riot, when Pakistani and African people when on a rampage, attacking police with firebombs and crossbow bolts and looting and trashing the areas in which they lived.

What is notable is how the police on this occasion dealt with the rioting: robustly. The Chief Constable later said:

"When trouble arises and violence occurs on the street, you hit it fast and hard. And that's what we did the following night. We hit the rioters fast and hard with all the force at our disposal-legitimate and lawful force-and we crushed the riots in Manchester in 24 hours.”

We learn that:

"James Anderton's handling of Moss Side riots received praise from the media, politicians, and general public.”

Would that we had a similar approach today.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 08 Oct 2015, 07:43
by Charlie
I'm just putting this link about rioting in Sweden here because the following sentence from the article caught my eye:

The disturbances, which have lasted longer than the riots in England in the summer of 2011...

I haven't seen this story reported anywhere else, though.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 08 Oct 2015, 08:27
by Nathan
Those Swedish riots were in May 2013, Charlie? I think they were the same week as the Lee Rigby murder, hence the relative lack of coverage over here.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 08 Oct 2015, 16:53
by Charlie
Nathan, there's really no need to let certain inaccuracies get in the way! Being a little creative with the facts has never stopped the SJWs of this world, has it? :-D

In all seriousness, I'm sorry about that: I saw it on Vox Day's blog this morning and it doesn't look like he bothered to check the date either, which is why we both receive a grade of "D-" and the following comment from the teacher: "Sloppy work. Do not post without high doses of caffeine in your system. See me after class".

PS: I guess that Sweden is still the most cucked nation in Europe, mind, despite Mutti Merkel's recent insanity.

Re: These riots...

PostPosted: 04 Aug 2017, 10:22
by Andy JS
This new article in the Spectator pretty much confirms what Theodore Dalrymple has been writing about on this subject over the years:

Riot chic: how violent protest became fashionable
Rage is all the rage – and the middle classes love it
Cosmo Landesman