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Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 24 Aug 2014, 23:16
by Gavin
I find myself wondering what kind of speeches Paul Weston would be making, and what actions he would be taking, given the insane news of late. Since we only have David Cameron as prime minister, below I post Mrs Thatcher's speech following the Brighton bombing of 1984 (starts at 40 seconds through). I just listened to the first five minutes, up until the point where she declares they will abolish the GLC.

I have been reading a lot recently about Britain's battle with the IRA throughout the seventies and eighties as this this seems to be a point of comparison with what we are likely to be facing with Muslims in the coming months and years. In short, Britain's military have been deployed on streets before, and have killed civilians and paramilitary operatives. It's not a new thing for us. Where I live there's an Army barracks. I dare say the soldiers there have been wanting to get a little more physical ever since Lee Rigby was murdered, if not before. General Sir Mike Jackson was present on "Bloody Sunday". In retirement he expressed regret at not having been able to fight in a conventional battle - he said: "Fighting is what a young man with good red blood in his veins joins for. It is the ultimate test for the professional soldier". On "Bloody Sunday" some more outspoken Irish expressed the view that it was, in a sense, not a bad thing, because it moved things up a gear and made the Army look bad. I would imagine many in the Army are probably thinking that about Islamic maniacs now.

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 05 Dec 2014, 22:09
by Gavin
I recently finished reading The Downing Street Years, by our last great Prime Minister, Lady Thatcher. It is spirited, utterly un-PC, stuff from a conviction politician, such as one could never imagine today - except perhaps from Mr Farage (though even he is hamstrung by our pitiful and nasty mainstream media).

I will present some of the most quotable passages from the memoir.

In the early stages of the book, Mrs Thatcher outlines the utter disaster that socialism had wrought upon the country during the 1970s and which culminated in the "Winter of Discontent" of 1978. She describes the grip of the economically illiterate trade unions, whom she was later to defeat, and adds:

"Welfare benefits - distributed with little consideration of their effects on behaviour - encouraged illegitimacy, facilitated the breakdown of families, and replaced incentives favouring work and self reliance with perverse encouragement for idleness and cheating...

The prevailing mood was one of snarling envy and motiveless hostility. To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure Leukaemia with leeches."

Sadly, in this she could have been describing Blair's legacy, which was yet to come. More later.

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 08 Dec 2014, 08:45
by Gavin
"I had been equipped at an early age with the ideal mental outlook and tools of analysis for reconstructing an economy ravaged by state socialism. My life, like those of most people on the planet, was transformed by the Second World War. I drew from the failure of appeasement the lesson that aggression must always be firmly resisted. But how?

My view was, and is, that an effective internationalism can only be built by strong nations which are able to call upon the loyalty of their citizens to defend and enforce civilised rules of international conduct. An internationalism which seeks to supersede the nation state, however, will founder quickly upon the reality that very few people are prepared to make genuine sacrifices for it. It is likely to degenerate, therefore, into a formula for endless discussion and hand-wringing."

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 11 Dec 2014, 11:05
by Gavin
In Chapter 6 of her book, Mrs Thatcher reflects on a visit to Liverpool in 1981 during the Toxteth riots, which were perpetrated principally by socialists and black people. She explains that police needed rubber bullets and their helmet visors adapting to be resistant to burning petrol that thugs were hurling at them. She then adds:

"Driving through Toxteth, the scene of the disturbances, I observed that for all that was said about deprivation, the housing there was by no means the worst in the city. I had been told that some of the young people involved got into trouble through ‘boredom' and 'not having enough to do'.

But you only had to look at the grounds around these houses, with the grass untended, some of it almost waist high, and the litter, to see that this was a false analysis. They has plenty of constructive things to do if they wanted. What was clearly lacking was a sense of pride and personal responsibility - something which the state can easily remove, but almost never give back."

Now if you imagine a politician even stated this simple truth today they would be pilloried as heartless etc. Yet people survived world wars with a better sense of personal responsibility and able to keep their gardens clean. Things have become much worse, not better, since Mrs Thatcher’s time, thanks principally to Tony Blair’s horrible socialist debt-making government. That man - and the Labour Party - destroyed both the culture of the United Kingdom and its economy.

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 11 Dec 2014, 12:05
by Nathan
I like it how she doesn't mince her words! You're right, there would be howls of faux-outrage if any politician were as honest today.

I've never thought of reading her memoirs before, but it does seem like a good read. It seems it was made into a four-part documentary as well.

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 10 Jan 2015, 15:12
by Gavin
Mrs Thatcher continues from the above in The Downing Street Years:

I also met councillors at Liverpool City Hall and then talked to a group of community leaders and young people. I was appalled by the latter’s hostility to the Chief Constable and the police .... I told them that I was very concerned by what they had said about the police and that while the colour of a person’s skin did not matter to me at all, crime did. I urged them not to resort to violence or to try to live in separate communities from the rest of us.

The whole visit left me in no doubt as I drove back that evening that we faced immense problems in immense problems in areas like Toxteth and Brixton. People had to find once again a sense of respect for the law, for the neighbourhood, and indeed for themselves.

The rioters were invariably young men, whose high animal spirits, usually kept in check by a whole range of social constraints, had on these occasions been unleashed to wreak havoc.

What had become of the constraints? A sense of community — including the watchful disapproval of neighbours — is the strongest such barrier. But this sense had been lost in the inner cities for a variety of reasons. Often those neighbourhoods were the artificial creation of local authorities which had uprooted people from genuine communities and decanted them into badly designed and ill-maintained estates where they did not know their new neighbours.

Some of these new ‘neighbourhoods’, because of large-scale immigration, were ethnically mixed; on top of the tensions which might initially arise in any event, even immigrant families with a very strong sense of traditional values found those values undermined in their own children by messages from the surrounding culture.

In particular, welfare arrangements encouraged dependency and discouraged a sense of responsibility, and television undermined common moral values that would once have united working-class communities. The results were a steadily increasing rise in crime (among young men) and illegitimacy (among young women).

All that was needed for these to flower into full-scale rioting was the decline of authority and the consequent feeling among potential rioters that they could probably get away with mayhem. Authority of all kinds — in the home, the school, the churches and the state — had been in decline for most of the post- war years.

Hence the rise in football hooliganism, race riots and delinquency over that period. There had even been one or two cases when the nervous indecision of the police — for instance in withdrawing officers from riots until reinforcements arrived — had both encouraged the rioters and undermined the confidence of law-abiding members of the community.

What perhaps aggravated the 1981 riots into a virtual saturnalia, however, was the impression given by television that, for all these reasons, rioters could enjoy a fiesta of crime, looting and rioting in the guise of social protest. They had been absolved in advance. These are precisely the circumstances in which young men riot, and riot again — and they have nothing whatever to do with money.

Once we had solved the problem of the British economy, however, we would need to turn to those deeper and more intractable problems. I did so in my second and third terms with the set of policies for housing, education, local authorities and social security that my advisers, over my objections, wanted to call ‘Social Thatcherism’. But we had only begun to make an impact on these by the time I left office.

No doubt she was nowhere near tough enough on the problems, but she tried. How much worse they are now, due primarily to:

  • The policy of multiculturalism
  • Copious welfare
  • Internal decadence

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 28 Jan 2015, 12:17
by Gavin
Political banter is not acceptable in the workplace. Right-wing political banter, that is.

As I have mentioned, it's fine for people to walk around in t-shirts like this, and it's fine for people to Skype comments like this to the whole group:

" is available for £11. might have to make her a "special" tribute site..."

It is smugly assumed by many lefties that everyone agrees with them, or if they don't then they at least should, because someone on the Left could not be in the wrong: to be moral is to be Left, they tell themselves and us. Then, we think of examples such as those covered all over this forum and on the Twitter feed.

I did not Skype a reply to the group but I did go over and say "Make it a good site - I'm a big fan of Maggie". Though I'm working for a capitalist company, I await discipline for that - or at least slight ostracisation.

Re: The Iron Lady

PostPosted: 04 Feb 2015, 16:48
by Elliott
Good on you, Gavin. We have to start fighting back, and even a little thing like that is an important step because it shows that smug little leftie that, after all, he is going to get some resistance.