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The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 22 Jul 2012, 03:18
by Michael
Just a note to fellow filmgoers. My wife and I went to see Christopher's Nolan's conclusion to his Batman trilogy, The Dark Knight Rises, and we both thought it was very good. It pulls off the very neat trick of being the best part of its trilogy, bringing all its plot threads to a satisfying conclusion. One very neat element is that the entire plot is not moved by Bruce Wayne/Batman. As my wife remarked after leaving the theatre, it is much more a film about the city of Gotham and its resistance to a threat than it is about Batman. It goes without saying that the film is incredibly exciting and well made technically and artistically.

Of particular interest to forum members, the film refutes knee jerk anti-establishment sentiment and "We Are The 99%" rhetoric very deftly. As the situation in the city worsens, the tyrannical villain invites the people of Gotham to rise up against their "real oppressors", the millionaires and billionaires. This is followed by a disturbing sequence of servants turning on masters, hotel porters rifling through baggage and throwing their guests out onto the streets, beautiful apartments and homes being looted and vandalized, and concludes with the show trials of the rich. Cillian Murphy has a nice turn here, returning as the villain Scarecrow (from the first film) who serves as judge, announcing to the prisoners "your guilt has already been determined; this is a sentencing hearing."

While I agree that the financial elites of the world are far from blameless for the present state of the world economy, I have been disgusted by the last four years of populism and "Occupy" memes, and am glad to have a film (a superhero film, no less!) show that these ideas are poisonous and primarily the tools of those who would manipulate the public.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 22 Jul 2012, 08:38
by Gavin
I'm amazed a Hollywood film has been made with angle, Michael. Thanks for telling us!

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 26 Jul 2012, 02:52
by Michael
I know. My jaw dropped a little when I realized where the film was going, refusing to pander to a youthful audience with easy, attractive portrayals of rebellion.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 28 Jul 2012, 02:47
by Caleb
I watched this a couple of days ago. Maybe I'm becoming a big old sourpuss regarding big Hollywood action movies, but I wasn't particularly impressed by this movie at all. The effects were reasonable, but nothing out of the bag. The fight scenes were sub-par, I thought. The villain(s) were extremely unimpressive. The plot rambled on and on, and then became completely implausible with its twist at the end. As for any political overtones, I don't know that they were really addressed in any meaningful way or that people would necessarily have felt any sympathy for rich people coming out of the movie. I also think the absolutely enormous cast of A-list actors was completely wasted. I actually thought the whole experience was a bit of a waste of two hours. By the end, I actually didn't care what happened to any of the characters in the movie. I just wanted it all to finish.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 08 Sep 2012, 21:47
by Elliott
I still haven't seen this film yet, but here is a rather interesting "review" of it: The 5 Most Politically Incorrect Ideas Smuggled into The Dark Knight Rises.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 20 Feb 2013, 16:23
by Gavin
Plugging The Salisbury Review again, there's a good long review of this film in there by Robert Crowcroft (The Salisbury Review is getting with the times). He argues that it comes across as a very conservative film. I personally wasn't so sure. When you get anarchists portrayed in films, as in V for Vendetta, there's always the probability that Left are going to admire them. But then I suppose Batman is a conservative!

When I listen to the ominous music like this from the film these days I find myself matching it to London, and the possible trouble ahead for our society there as we try to reassert civilisation at some time in the future. Of course, that problem is all too real.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 11 Apr 2013, 15:31
by Roger
The video below offers an interesting perspective on the film as well as the series as a whole, and riffs on some Dalrymplean themes e.g. the welfare state, moral degeneracy.


Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 11 Apr 2013, 23:02
by Gavin
He does make some very Dalrymplian points, doesn't he? "Bane gives people exactly what they want and exactly what will kill them." The socialist keeps people down, and keeps them voting for them.

Towards the end this speaker seems to question the very concept of democracy, believing that the only way is essentially a benevolent dictatorship in the form of monarchy. This, due to the fallibility of people. What I do know is we have a massive ineducable underclass to deal with now and they all have a right to vote. Some, I think, sometimes sense that they need some rules and guidance in their lives and vote right, but many do not.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 12 Apr 2013, 01:49
by Elliott
Wow, what a guy! I feel a brief period of hero worship coming on. I'm going to watch all his videos.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 12 Apr 2013, 10:06
by Roger
Aurini's videos are definitely worth watching in bulk. He's an interesting and obviously well read fellow with a degree in history, so often frames his arguments in an historical context. He often plays the part of the profane ranter and can take the rhetoric a little too far for my taste, but is on the whole worth listening to if you can stand anti-liberal and anti-feminist viewpoints stated unapologetically and with harsh language.

Many videos could be posted with great relevance in certain threads on this forum, I'm sure. I recently watched one posted earlier this month called "Politics & Theology: Logos, Agape, & Forgiveness". The quoted paragraph below is almost pure Dalrymple and relates to his argument that love needs a rational foundation (Logos before Agape):

Now if you start with love, you wind up in the nonjudgemental society. You wind up in the society of relativism, a society where all things are equal. There is no fundamental basis of love and you have no right to judge anybody else based upon whom and how they love. No standards - standards are post hoc. You start out with the love, then you come up with the standards, then you figure out the rules. You start with animal passion and then try to use reason to regulate that animal passion, with no possible judgement ever being applied to this passion in the first place. Obviously, this is the philosophy of our time: putting Agape before Logos.

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 12 Apr 2013, 11:19
by Gavin
Thanks for bringing him to our attention, Roger.

Yes, he can be a bit ranting and profane, but you have warned of this. Amongst his chats are some good points. I might even read his novel...

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

PostPosted: 13 Apr 2013, 00:15
by Caleb
I have watched a few of his videos since yesterday. He's worth watching. I think I will watch the Batman movies again as a result. His blog is also good and it's worth looking at some of the blogs on his blog roll and some of their posts. I can't remember the exact term he uses, but it seems that there's quite a community of angry white guys under the age of forty preparing for the apocalypse. I've sort of been aware of this for a while, as I've often gravitated towards those kind of sites, but it's interesting to see just how many people there are who don't buy into modern society at all. More interesting is to see how many are not just people my father's age clinging onto power and the glory days. I also like that he's very realistic about the prospects of this. He states in one video that if 10% of people have farms and 90% don't, then the 10% don't have farms. Everyone is in this together. That cuts across the survivalist fantasies of a lot of people in the alt. crowd.