The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nathan » 27 Jan 2014, 18:53

Someone I've never heard of from Radio 4 wrote:David Cameron wants your kids to die - fact!
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nathan » 11 Mar 2014, 12:20

This excerpt is taken from a debate on evolution held at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History in 1860. I doubt the Bishop of Oxford, the Right Reverend Samuel Wilberforce was a leftie in modern terms, but it's a fascinating exchange in its own right in how people can use the same tricks of ridicule and appeal to authority to defend orthodoxy, even when it is clearly wrong:

Bishop Wilberforce, at a debate against evolutionary theory enquired of Huxley, “Is it on your grandmother’s or grandfather’s side that you are descended from an ape?” Huxley responded to the question outlining all evidence in support of Charles Darwin’s theory. He then continued to respond to the Bishop “I would rather be descended from an ape than a man who uses his great faculties and influence for the purpose of ridicule.” The statement was not taken well by those crowded in to view the debate. One magazine wrote that a Lady Brewster had fainted. The audience was implored to listen to God rather than man.


A lot of what happened at that debate is unclear, and has probably been embellished in more recent times, but it's worth reading about if you have an interest in it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_Oxfor ... ion_debate
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Kevin R » 13 Mar 2014, 17:40

Elliott wrote:Several of the techniques I mentioned in the OP are demonstrated by this Youtube "discussion" in which I was involved last night:

a conservative wrote:And if you had lived in a large multicultural city - as I did for 45 years - then you'd want to reduce immigration. I've lived in these ghettos, created by the immigrants themselves because they want no part of western culture apart from its obvious benefits, and in which the remaining white people choose to leave because of the arrogance, intimidation, violence and crime that is common in such areas, many of which are now no-go areas for whites. I know because I've witnessed it for 45 years!

a liberal wrote:I live in a multicultural city, I love it. Immigrants are not a different species, they are humans that were born on a different land mass. So they don't listen to the Beatles or wear tracksuits..... AND ? What is all this immigration crime you mention? Do you have evidence? Or are you just repeating what you heard in the local non-multicultural pub? The world is changing, the UK will never reverse immigration, these people are here to stay. Thankfully the youth will always seek liberalism.

Elliott wrote:I actually went into a very non-multicultural pub, in Southall. I, and my friends, were the only three people there who were not Asian. The place fell silent when we walked in. We got glares and suspicious looks until we left, 15 minutes later. Multiculturalism doesn't work: the host becomes the meal.

another liberal wrote:That's an inference based on a tiny sample. Have you tried this in at least a hundred pubs in different parts of the country, balanced to reflect demographic factors? Thought not. You can't stereotype people based on one experience, or even a few.

Elliott wrote:You liberals always find a way to avoid acknowledging the elephant in the room, don't you? I might have known somebody would come up with the old chestnut about statistics vs personal experience... Let me guess, "the plural of anecdote is not data", right? Terrific.

Admittedly I was a bit aggressive with my reply there, and I do regret that now. But the point of this example is that the liberal was requesting evidence that he knew I couldn't possibly have. His stipulations were preposterous! At least a hundred different pubs? What absolute nonsense.

The facts are: I have been in many, many pubs in England and Scotland. This, the only one I can recall being in where everyone else was Asian, was the only one where everyone fell silent and glared at me and my friends until we left. Call me crazy but I tend to draw inferences from that experience. It seems to tally with the amount of race-driven crime going on, and my understanding of human nature. Lefties deny the former and utterly lack the latter.


'The world is changing, the UK will never reverse immigration, immigrants are here to stay..'

The first statement is a truism that says virtually nothing of use. The second is subject to the first assertion and so is not wrapped in finality, and to prove it he's uttered the seeming contradiction of the third. I also noticed that in order to set up a trap for catching any sniff of irrational prejudice in his potential opponents, he had to strip immigrants of any cultural identity, leaving the concept of a bare humanity to which they are engrafted to us in human brotherhood, then reverse the current and suggest that their difference is what makes them necessary. Apparently we need difference to show us that we aren't different?

His pithy remark about the track suits are somewhat of an accurate cultural appraisal of modern British life, but it just supports the observation about what can happen when a people loose authenticity of identity. There are millions across the globe now who can find outward esprit only in a t-shirt and baseball cap. Many of them in large 'global cities'
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nathan » 17 Sep 2014, 15:12

Re. the Leftist mentality, it was good to see the so many of the front pages on the newspaper stands today highlighting some of the tactics from Team Yes to browbeat anybody who doesn't want independence for Scotland.

Firstly they run the risk of overplaying their hand and risking people voting No out of spite in what is a secret ballot anyway, and secondly it might make their tactics more transparent as a sign they're losing the argument for when the rest of us get to vote In/Out.
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nick J W » 01 Jan 2015, 13:19

I dare say Yuri Bezmenov has already been discussed, maybe not.
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Gavin » 01 Jan 2015, 18:45

What a fascinating interview - thanks for posting. I don't remember hearing of Yuri Bezmenov before, but this was like hearing a Russian Dalrymple speak (indeed Dalrymple is half Russian in ancestry).

To think, Bezmenov was speaking in 1984, and how much more complete the mission is now. You just need to look at the popular culture and the way that every educational institution is now utterly compromised to see how right he was. It is really quite frightening. Our predicament would not have surprised Bezmenov though, I think.
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nathan » 06 Jan 2015, 19:18

I don't usually read through comments sections any more because they all seem so samey and you never know if the people coming up with the more outlandish comments are just out for a troll, but this one was hilarious whether it is serious or not.

Underneath an article called "The Inconvenient Truth about Islamic Immigration" somebody is trying the "break the argument down into tiny little pieces and demand ridiculous amounts of proof to bog the whole thing down and divert the conversation away from the obvious point" tactic to deny that Muslims were responsible for 9/11:

You're one making the allegation. It's yours to proove,

Prove:

1) The planes were hijacked.
2) The planes were hijacked by Muslims. [Note: proof is not a grainy photo of a brown skinned man]
3) The planes were hijacked by devout radical Muslims. [Note: proof is not a grainy photo of a brown skinned man]
4) The planes were then flown by the devout radical muslims into the twin towers. [Note: proof is not a grainy photo of a brown skinned man]
5) The planes crashing into the twin towers caused them to collapse in the way they did.
6) The planes crashing into the twin towers caused the collapse of the 3rd skyscraper that got demolished on the same day and exactly the same manner.
7) Prove that the devout radical muslims intended to do all the above.
8) Prove what material or other benefit they seeked to gain from carrying out the above.

All you have is hearsay, speculation and gossip all informed by your own racist, supremacist and islamophobic prejudice. You can't prove none of the above because you a noting but a brainwashed zombie who has been forged by the the western media and governments who have made to think and believe how they so desire for reason again so bloody obvious.


More fool anybody who gets drawn into such nonsense is my opinion.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5 ... mmigration
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Re: The Leftist mentality (as seen in debates)

Postby Nick J W » 08 Jan 2015, 13:46

What a fascinating interview - thanks for posting. I don't remember hearing of Yuri Bezmenov before, but this was like hearing a Russian Dalrymple speak (indeed Dalrymple is half Russian in ancestry).

To think, Bezmenov was speaking in 1984, and how much more complete the mission is now. You just need to look at the popular culture and the way that every educational institution is now utterly compromised to see how right he was. It is really quite frightening. Our predicament would not have surprised Bezmenov though, I think.


You're welcome, Gavin. Yes it is disturbing... bananas in their ears!
Well, happy new year... If that isn't in poor taste.
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