Leftist hypocrisy

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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 02 Sep 2014, 07:40

Here is an interesting essay about South African authoress Nadine Gordimer. It contains several very interesting anecdotes about leftist hypocrisy, including that Gordimer campaigned for Communism but, decades later, was surprised to learn that people living in a Communist regime were not allowed to open savings accounts.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Andreas » 03 Sep 2014, 16:59

Nadine often said in her later years that she had been something of a bohemian in her youth. It must have been before I knew her. Soon after the publication of Face to Face she was divorced, moved into a small flat with Oriane, and did not live anything like a bohemian lifestyle. One afternoon when I went with my mother to see her, we came upon her rebuking her black maidservant for not changing, as was the custom in our world, from a morning-blue uniform with matching cap into a black afternoon uniform with a white cap and apron.


Not exactly compassion for the oppressed masses, is it?

Perhaps she was a good writer. I've never read anything of hers but certainly seen the name. Maybe she was a decent person but with a bad blind spot about Communism.

I've often wondered about Graham Greene, who also sympathized with Communist regimes. You can tell from his writing that he was very intelligent and perceptive, with sensitive antennae for detecting human weaknesses and failings. He poked fun in a lighthearted way at MI6 and UNESCO. He must have realized that the people running the U.S.S.R. could be no better than the leaders of Britain or the U.S. Perhaps one of his biographers has explained this.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Andreas » 08 Sep 2014, 17:32

The fundamental conflict between what people espouse, and how they live and want to continue living, was not confined to Nadine Gordimer, of course. She was, in a way, the ne plus ultra of a certain type, ridiculous, dishonest but influential.


http://www.salisburyreview.com/Theodore_Dalrymple/nadine.html

Dalrymple's recollection of Nadine Gordimer prompted a memory of my own, from the early 80s, of an American Marxist academic, a woman who lived in a large house in a very comfortable upper-middle-class enclave. She was a historian with a feminist bent. She probably read Nadine Gordimer. I remember that she had attended an academic conference in Bucharest and given a talk on a nineteenth-century woman who was somehow "doubly revolutionary." She complained that we no longer had any real freedom of speech in America under Reagan.

At the time I didn't realize the hypocrisy, contradiction, or unbelievable naivety of this position. She had attended an official event in Romania and helped lend legitimacy to the Ceausescu regime, one of the most vile and repressive governments in the Communist world, where people were imprisoned and perhaps executed for any criticism of the regime.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Nathan » 12 Sep 2014, 12:19

This one is a classic!

Peter Tatchell was awarded an honorary fellowship from Goldsmiths University for a lifetime of gay rights activism. He chose to pass it onto Palestine as a statement against its occupation by Israel.

However...

In Palestine homosexuality carries the death penalty.
In Israel homosexuality has been legal for some decades.

Palestine does not allow same-sex adoptions or the recognition of same-sex relationships. Israel allows for both.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle ... sexuality/
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Alfred M » 13 Sep 2014, 03:29

Nathan wrote:This one is a classic!

Peter Tatchell was awarded an honorary fellowship from Goldsmiths University for a lifetime of gay rights activism. He chose to pass it onto Palestine as a statement against its occupation by Israel.

However...

In Palestine homosexuality carries the death penalty.
In Israel homosexuality has been legal for some decades.

Palestine does not allow same-sex adoptions or the recognition of same-sex relationships. Israel allows for both.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/rod-liddle ... sexuality/


Modern leftism has little rhyme or reason anymore. It is just a hatred of all things that are white, male, and heterosexual. I don't think the fact that a lot of the groups outside of this dynamic hate each other (like Hindus vs Muslims) really bothers die hard leftists very much, as they operate more on pure emotion than any rational process.

Rank and file leftists are more susceptible to hearing out these contradictions though.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Elliott » 13 Sep 2014, 19:38

That's simply hilarious, Nathan!
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Paul » 20 Nov 2014, 23:52

On Facebook earlier, someone (whom I know not) shared a video clip made by the Britain First group (party?). One of my pet lefties (female ) happened to comment upon it, which was how I was alerted to it.

The video was entitled 'Muslims invade grounds of Westminster Abbey'.

I don't know if this has occurred recently (will have been avoided by the MSM surely) or is somewhat dated - but obviously kept as a clip by Britain First. The group's comment was as follows:

This is total disrespect .... they say they don't want trouble and we should respect them, well you have to earn respect and these are not young muslims they are elderly men and they are the ones who target youngsters and turn them against their country lets face it born here your British and if you owe your allegiance to another country then please don't let us stop you just go !!!!

The clip goes on to show about a dozen Muslims, in religious and tribal garb, kneeling and praying in Islamic fashion in the grounds of the abbey, on a grassed area.

There were dozens of comments attached, all in the same sentiment as above. Then in pops my pet lefty:

'They are paying homage to the same God in a sacred place, I have no problem with that'.

What a hypocrite. If Christians were outside (or within) praying (and it is their abbey after all), she would be sneering, pooh-poohing and ranting immediately. Paedophiles would be instantly mentioned, the Queen, the C of E structure, wealth, slavery and etc, etc. That's almost guaranteed. She will definitely have said things in this vein about ten thousand times, minimum.

But not if it's Muslims. Suddenly the place is 'sacred' and their 'God' is a viable concept, equal to, and in fact synonymous with the Christian God, who by the same virtue must then also be a viable concept...?

Does she not remember ten thousand anti-Christian rants? Does she think other people don't remember? Of course, drone-like, in their semi-robotic lefty state, that wouldn't matter anyway.


They're crazy now, the Left. They're completely stereotypical and predictable. Typecast. The old arguments about economics and production are by the wayside. None of them ever wanted to work anyway and so it's rather convenient to jettison those old arguments about work and pay. They still pretend to get wistful about coal-mining and will still think very much in economic units when it comes to naked envy and its partner, naked greed, but ideologically, they've moved onto a myriad of other topics.

Islam, black Africa, slavery, racism, gay rights, Palestine, feminism, abuse and even Satanism (or a fear of it). I think that soon, we might as well go full circle and re-institute Witchcraft. That's what they're like now, almost medieval minded.
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Re: Leftist hypocrisy

Postby Paul » 21 Jan 2015, 22:56

More jollies on Facebook from several of my lefty contacts - all of them women, incidentally.

There's some story (that I haven't checked) wherein the government (or some politician) has deemed that people on benefits shouldn't be allowed to travel abroad.

Goodness me, even I would say that is pretty restrictive and there are bound to be genuine exceptions. And if such a rule was ever enacted, it would somehow penalise genuine travellers and utterly fail to get those to whom the law was aimed. We don't know how, we just know that it would. It would also be a sinkhole for taxpayers' money.

But of course it will never happen....!


Just before I logged out, brimming with hilarity at the 'outrage', I noticed a related headline. (I didn't click on that either). Apparently Nigel Farage (of 'far-right' UKIP) has announced that benefit claimants shouldn't be allowed on the roads!

I presume he means as drivers, but maybe not. Maybe ALL cases of road use should be prohibited to claimants?

Has he really said that? Or more likely something about 100 points below that, that has been 'sexed-up' to create the headline?

(I heard today on the TV news at Mum's that the long-awaited Chilcott inquiry into the Iraq War might well have been 'sexed-down', would you believe. It's like living in a zoo, surrounded by stupid noises).

Anyway, the out-pouring of anger and dismay amongst the lefties:

That's it! That's the final straw. They're off. They can't bear it in this horrible country anymore. I'm coming too. Take me with you. Me too! Where would we go? France is still ok (really?). What about Scandanavia. One of them said - "I think we should just go to France and hitch-hike from there to Slovakia"!

Poor Slovakians I say, not to mention the French and the Scandanavians as well. I wonder if they will choose Muslim Sweden? They would probably feel quite cosy about that - for now.

But, they're all on the dole, and two of them are single parents. They won't even make it to the bus-stop without state aid. I just know they will be on a mint of money, every week for nothing, for themselves and their feral children.
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